Want To Avoid Unemployment?

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  1. aklover

    aklover New Member

    I found this article interesting. I work with people who think a college education is a waste of time. I am the only person in this office to ever pursue a degree other than high school. Not sure if this has been posted before, so forgive me if it has.

    PS - I promise not the mention the word "Aspen" Just kidding.

    "Statistics show a clear link between education level and employment.
    By Tony Moton

    There is no sure-fire way to prevent unemployment.

    But if unemployment statistics are any measure, there is one way of improving your chances of staying employed: earning a bachelor's degree.

    U.S. Department of Labor statistics from the last 12 months, from June 2009 through June 2010 prove the point: the unemployment rate for people 25 years and over holding at least a bachelor's degree was 4-6 percent lower on a monthly basis than for people having only a high school education.

    For example, in June of 2010, the unemployment rate for bachelor's degree holders and above was 4.4 percent - compared to a whopping 10.8 percent for those with only a high school education.

    So if you're wondering whether that bachelor's degree is worth the cost, consider that it may be your best form of unemployment insurance.

    "I think that it's worth it to get a college degree," says Andrea Koncz, an employment information manager for the National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE). "And, depending on your major, I think you have a lot more opportunity when you have a college degree."

    What jobs are bachelor's degree grads getting? According to a recent NACE study, here's a selection of top industry employers for the class of 2010, their average salary offers, and some career options."


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  2. I wonder what the unemployment rate is for those with bachelors degrees just entering the workforce versus those who had established employment before the recession.

    Most news I hear is that college graduates are moving back in with mom and dad.
     
  3. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Unfortunately, there are some fallacies to this idea. Journalists tend to make this mistake all of the time. Those statistics have established coincidence but not causality.

    People from middle class and wealthy families are more likely to college. People from middle class and wealthy families are less likely to be unemployed. Is it college with makes people less likely to be unemployed, or, is being from a middle class or wealthy family a factor that influences BOTH the college attendance rate AND the employment rate. OR, is there yet a third factor (or fourth or ninetieth) factor that influences the rate of wealth AND college AND employment?

    Slackers also ruin these statistics. There are people who will only nominally search for a job, and don't even have the slightest bit of drive to go to school. These people are, due to their unimpressive nature, both less likely to go to school and less likely to find a job for the exact same reason- not as a cause OF not having a degree, rather, as a cause FOR not having a degree, and the stats are therefore skewed.

    To help put this in to perspective: people who live in neighborhood X have a higher employment rate than people in neighborhood Y. To even the score, is the answer to tell people in neighborhood Y that to "move up in the world" they need to move to neighborhood X?

    No doubt, some jobs require a degree, so having one will open up more options. Then again, a person with a degree is often seeking a different type of employment than those without a degree, so the options may be artificially limited.

    There are a lot of variables here that just are never explored, and all I did was point out some of the most obvious.
     
  4. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Dang. Maybe I shouldn't finish my degree, then :eek:
     
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  5. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    You can only move forward, you already live in your parent’s basement!
     
  6. djacks24

    djacks24 New Member

    I've read so many articles debating the value of a college education. Then there are the comments after the articles that are always highly entertaining. Of course, when the economy is this bad, there are unemployed folks all over. I think there are many underemployed college grads. But a degree does move you up the food chain so to speak. So in a bad economy such as this, college grads are having to take positions that don't necessarily require a degree and putting more non-degreed folks into unemployment.

    I don't think there is any doubt that more education is always better, however the return on investment with the ridiculous cost of college is being highly debated right now. Many articles are saying learning a trade pays more dividends now than college because the trades are not so easy to outsource. I know there is a real issue with job requirements be inflated right now. I see positions all the time that really don't require a college degree, but the openings are asking for one anyway. So a degree is really an expensive way of keeping your resume from automatically being filtered out during the applicant selection process.
     
  7. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Superb point. The trades do get effected in an economic recession, but at least those are the types of jobs that will not cease to exist. Until this country falls as an economic superpower, houses will need to be built, pipes will need to be replaced, etc.

    Oh! I have a friend who is an exterminator, and he says that business is just fine. It's one of those "somebody's gotta do it" jobs that most people don't even think about when job hunting, and even in a recession NOBODY wants to live with the creepy little monsters that are overrunning all of our major cities.
     
  8. TCord1964

    TCord1964 New Member

    Want job security? Work in the funeral business. Everybody is dying to get in.

    Seriously, the average wage for a funeral director is $52,000, with pay for more experienced morticians reaching nearly six figures. Employment opportunities in this profession are expected to grow by 12 percent from now until 2018.
     
  9. proracer

    proracer Member

    Speaking of jobs....

    It looks as if a degree in this situation may help that person looking for this type of job....

    Does this narrow the field a bit?

    I called about a job that is available in Colorado. During the conversation, I ask a number of questions. One of these questions was....Are there many applicants.....? There was a moment of silence, as if she did not want to answer the question. She finally did and this is what she said...

    I have so many applicants that I do not even look at the past experience that the person may have, I am only looking for transcripts, college transcripts.

    She said that today she went through 179 applications and the degrees were mostly bachelors but she had a number of Masters and even an few Doctorates in the mix.

    So, what does this tell us....maybe nothing to some, but we do have a job crisis at the moment. We have people that are well educated but few jobs to put them in.

    Can we blame this on the economy.......maybe. Lets look at the people that really keep our economy going.....These people are the INVESTORS.

    I feel that until those people feel confident that they will get a return on their investment, we will see a slow recovery.

    My two cents.....

    Jim
     
  10. Thorvald

    Thorvald New Member

    DL saves the day!

    Lots of DL for the bug trade: see: Online Courses | Iowa State Entomology Index of Internet Resources

    Best wishes---Jim
     
  11. PatsGirl1

    PatsGirl1 New Member

    This is actually very true... I know someone who graduated with a degree in Mortuary Science from Wayne State (local school in Detroit) and he makes good money (in the $80-$90k range)... I've gone and done pick ups with him in the hearse for extra $ (plus, driving a hearse is really cool!) and I think his job is fascinating.
     
  12. japhy4529

    japhy4529 House Bassist

    Ba-dum-dum. Thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the veal! :D
     
  13. djacks24

    djacks24 New Member

    Did she mean actual transcripts attached to the resume, or just looking at the education on the resume?

    But regardless, that does make sense. So few openings and so many applicants that there has to be a quick filtering process to narrow down the applicant pool. There was a position that I recently applied for that was asking for people with a technical BS degree or in the completing stages of one. I received a call from the hiring manager and he had one question for me. He asked if I had finished my degree. I told him yes, then he said he would call me back. Funny that was the only thing he callled for.
     
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  14. Anything in aging services will be hot in the future. America's baby boomers are turning gray, creating a dearth of old people who need stuff.
     
  15. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    I have put in about 30 apps in the last week to see what was out there. I always ask how many people have put in applications for this position. I get responses back like, "More then I have ever seen" or "Way to many."

    I chatted with a lady in HR at Pilgrim’s Pride and she to me they went from no college for the job, to some college, to a bachelors degree in anything, to a bachelors in a poultry related major, to a masters in a poultry related major.

    Who the hell has heard of a poultry related degree?

    Many of the jobs that never required college now do (the ones still out there that is) But it also seems like the whole middle section of the job market is GONE!!!! Now it seems you take a job at $8 an hour or nothing.
     
  16. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

  17. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Is it just me or are things getting really specialized now days.....
     
  18. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

  19. penguin

    penguin New Member

    This, unfortunately, is where I am. I'm employed now, but we've been having routine layoffs for the past couple years. I think that my days here are numbered, & that frightens me beyond words. I have a Master's degree, but very little relevent job exerpence.
     

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