affordable bachelor's degree (business/economics) / international way of life

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  1. Chris_Germany

    Chris_Germany New Member

    Hi everybody,

    my name is Christian, I'm German, age 31, and I would like to get an university /college degree in the field of economics / business administration...
    Being a kind of international person and seeking a life doing jobs all over the world, I've applied to universities in Germany and France for a europeen bachelor's degree in distance learning (which is for free here).
    The thing is, I'd prefer to get an american degree (for being "international", also for having the possibility to "easily" getting a masters's degree at an american university, maybe even getting a green card/citizenship)...
    I've done some research on this forum and I found out that the fort hays state university offers an affordable bachelor's degree.
    I'm quite unfamiliar with the american system of accreditation because the universities here in Germany all seem to have approximately the same "value".
    Which universities / colleges are affordable for a foreign person who won't get a scholarship, and are accredited in the way that I'll be ilegible to apply for a job at a company / master's degree at a university all over the US??
    Would you recommend to a foreigner to doing a associates degree at a community college for preparing a bachelos's degree??
    I apologize for my bad english, I know that answering to these questions is quite strenuous, so thank you very much in advance,

    Christian
     
  2. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Hi Christian,

    Welcome to the board. I noticed that you posted the same message twice probably because your first post did not show up right away. When you are new to the board, your post has to first pass through the moderator queue. We do this to mitigate the severe issues we have with spamming.

    We will do our best to get your post out in a timely manner and, after you have posted and been approved a number of times, your posts will go directly to the board without moderation.
     
  3. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Fort Hays State University is an excellent university in the United States that is very affordable. The university has regional accreditation, which is the gold standard of university accreditation in the US. As long as you do well in your studies, you shouldn't have any trouble earning a graduate degree with a bachelor's degree from Fort Hays.
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Hi Christian, let me stop you right there since you're making two dangerous assumptions.

    The first is that getting a Bachelor's degree from an American school will help you get into a good Master's program at an American school more than a Bachelor's from a school in a different country. I don't believe that's so, particular if it causes you to overlook the University of London External Programme, which is one of the best regarded distance learning options in the English-speaking world. Moreover, you could be perfectly fine to avoid paying altogether and stick to a German school. I realize Americans have a reputation for not understanding that there are other countries in the world, but there are established processes through which you can get a German undergraduate degree evaluated as equivalent to an American one when it comes time to apply for Master's programs.

    Your second assumption is that an American Master's will help you be eligible for permanent residency in the U.S. You should probably consult with an American immigration attorney to be sure, but I don't believe that's the case. Most industrialized English speaking countries use a points system for immigration, where those with Master's degrees have a better chance. The U.S. does not. In fact, the explicitly stated purpose of the student visa program is that foreigners like yourself will come here, spend money as a student, and then leave.

    -=Steve=-
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Fort Hays is inexpensive and it has the "right" kind of accreditation for Christian's situation, but I think words like "excellent" get watered down from overuse. I think it would be safer to say that when it comes to academic reputation that Fort Hays is serviceable, but unremarkable.

    -=Steve=-
     
  6. muaranah

    muaranah New Member

    Christian, since I live in Germany and have some familiarity with the German system as well as of course the US "system", I strongly suggest you get a German bachelor's degree (from Fern Uni if you have to) or the University of London's external system as was suggested earlier if you want to attend graduate school in the US. If your German or UK degree for some reason is not evaulated as being equivalent to a US degree despite being at least as rigorous, you can always take some CLEP or DSST exams to get there; however, since someone with an Abitur is considered to have 30 US semester credits before they attend university in Germany or overseas, I don't think you will have any problem.

    Check out the US green card lottery, BTW.
     
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  7. Chris_Germany

    Chris_Germany New Member

    Thank you for your answers.

    Sorry, cannot remember posting twice, maybe something went wrong

    Thank you, SteveFoerster, for mentioning the University of London External Programme, I didn't know about it, quite affordable. The only problem here is: this is also a three year bachelor's degree. I think I should have explained my intentions in greater detail when posting my first messsage: I am not planning to get a permanent residency in the US at the moment, I would like to work there for some time first, and then I'd decide what to do next. It is very difficult for foreigners to get a working visa, a realistic way would be the H1-B visa, which permits to work in the US for 3 to 6 years. The problem is that you can only apply for it after having at least completed a 4 year bachelor's degree. I think one can never know what will happen in life, so I cannot tell at the moment if I'll also do a master's degree... This would be the advantage of the american bachelor's degree for me.
    The German bachelor's degree is not automatically accepted when applying for graduate studies in the US, but I know that many universities accept it. So, muaranah, your're right of course it would be possible. Since I'll be moving to France soon and just for the fun of studying in a foreign language, I would prefer its French version which is called licence. But I'm not sure if it would be accepted in the US. As far as I found out on the internet, it seems to be rather unlikely. But if they'd grant me 30 credit points for my Abitur, the sirtuation would be different again (maybe). But I'm a "positive" person, I believe there will always be a way.
    You mentioned the green card lottery: As far as i can remember winning a green card doesn't mean getting a green card. You have to pay a lot of money for it, and in the unlikely event of winning, this only qualifies for further investigation on your person, your qualifications, etc. And then they'll decide whether you'll get it or not...

    I'll check the program of the university in London. And I think you're probably right: maybe it's not worth spending a lot of money for an average american college like Fort Hays when I can get a degree here in Europe virtually "for free".
    So, thanks again at everyone here, and if someone knows anything about the acceptance of a French licence (French bachelor's degree) when applying for graduate studies, please let me know.
     
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