City university of seattle

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  1. wtguy1

    wtguy1 New Member

    I am trying to debate whether to get my BA at City university of Seattle or University of Pheonix.

    Any idea which one has a better Business acreditation? Or any other alternative
     
  2. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    There is no question; City U of Seattle. Much better clout and probably much cheaper. U of Phoenix, while it is a good school, has an undeservedly bad reputation. UoP is also quite expensive. I'm familiar with it because I have a buddy who is a prof there, and it really is a good institution. However, City U of Seattle is a not-for-profit school, is regionally accredited and is known as a B&M school. All of those facts enable the school to carry more clout. Add that to the fact that it is probably cheaper, although I don't actually know the tuition of City U of Seattle, so I'm guessing on that one.
     
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  3. davesaint

    davesaint New Member

    In my opinion I think City U would better for you first degree (if this is your first degree).

    Dave
     
  4. emmzee

    emmzee New Member

    Agree, City University of Seattle, for the reasons Michael mentioned. Probably much cheaper, and it wouldn't have the "oh it's that online school" stigma that UoP unfortunately has.
     
  5. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Nothing wrong with UofP, but I do agree 100% with what Michael said above.

    I guess you are looking for an MBA? How about these:

    UMass Amherst

    UMass Lowell

    Both are significantly less expensive than UofP and carry significantly more name recognition. Lowell costs a few thousand less than Amherst, but doesn't have as much of a prestige factor as Amherst. Of course, that distinction might not be as important as the money or a multitude of other factors.

    Also, I have read on this board before that http://jsu.edu has an online MBA for 9K that is AACSB accredited, but I could not find where that information could be found on their website.

    The least expensive out-of-state regionally accredited MBA that I know of is Amberton Universtiy. They do not have additional programmatic accreditation, but their tuition is $225/credit. Beat that!

    For more info, we have a sticky thread here called "the best MBA." Tons of info and tons of great schools to find there.
     
  6. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Exactly what he said....I have even removed UoP from my resume due to the an undeservedly bad reputation.
     
  7. wtguy1

    wtguy1 New Member

    I am looking for a BA in business. I see the City U is ICBEA accredited. Is CityU 100% online, do I need to go in for exams? Does it have any ranking
     
  8. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    I spoke with an enrollment counselor (salesman) from UoP gave a pretty solid response when I mentioned poor reputation. She said UoP publishes more peer-reviewed papers than any other online school. If that is true, I wonder why that has not helped their reputation.

    A good deal of their problem is created by saturation advertising, huge profits and extremely aggressive enrollment counselors. But lots of publishing should help, I would think.
     
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  9. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Paste from Wikipedia:

    City University of Seattle holds regional institutional accreditation from the Northwest Commission on Colleges and Universities (NWCCU).

    The University's undergraduate and graduate business degree programs are accredited by the International Assembly for Collegiate Business Education (IACBE).

    Currently, the School of Management is a candidate for accreditation with Association of Collegiate Business Schools and Programs (ACBSP).


    The ACBSP is #2 in business accreditation. AACSB is #1. I'm not sure that IACBE carries a lot of clout. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on that. So accreditation is one facet where UoP might have an advantage, wouldn't you think? I believe it already holds ACBSP.
     
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  10. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    City University of Seattle - Bachelor of Science in Business Administration
    It appears to be fully online. I found no ranking when I tried to search for it in USN&WR.

    Other Business Bachelors:

    Online Programs :: College of Business :: University of Wyoming (~$100/credit)
    http://www.ccis.edu/online/academics/degrees.asp?BSBA (~$200/credit)
    http://online.sps.cuny.edu/program/business.aspx (~$200/credit)
    http://www.umassonline.net/degrees/Online-Degree-Bachelor-Business-Administration.cfm (~$500/credit)
     
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  11. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I never heard of the "UoP publishes more peer-reviewed papers than any other online school." Where is the proof? It would not be beyond reason since they probably have the most students. My issue would be that an employer does not know (or care) about that. The next thought maybe, "published where - on a blog?" The advertising is what gets me with them. I also fear that other online schools may start to over-advertise and get a bad reputation for the same reason. I have seen a lot of ads for Grand Canyon and Capella lately.
     
  12. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Yea, that and the price is why I lost interest in Capella.

    As for the publishing fact or fiction, remember that was said to me by a salesman...uh I mean enrollment counselor.
     
  13. wtguy1

    wtguy1 New Member

    Its seems CityU does not have ACBSP? Does this really make a difference if they hold IACBE?
     
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  14. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    The main thing is the fact that they are regionally accredited, that's what you are looking in for a school. That is the highest level of accreditation that is granted for an entire school and Seattle has that.

    The other accreditations are for the business school only and are not necessary but are a nice feather in their cap. ACBSP will be good for the school and by the time you graduate, it should be accredited by them. I'm not all that impressed with IACBE. I have heard that their standards are pretty low. It's probably better than nothing, but maybe not that much. I wouldn't worry, the regional accreditation is the most important factor and the ACBSP should come. You could contact Seattle U and find out how long they expect the ACBSP to take.
     
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  15. wtguy1

    wtguy1 New Member

    Thanks for the information. So I guess Seattle is better than UOP.

    Anyone have any experience with taking courses at seattle? Are they quite difficult or more like taking courses at UOP?
     
  16. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    I have limited experience with UoP and no experience with Seattle U, but I can tell you what online school is like in general.

    There is usually a lot more reading and a great deal more writing than traditional classrooms. Get good at writing papers. Most schools expect you to participate in threaded discussions related to the reading and you are often required to post a certain word count. I think I remember that National University required posts of 250 words. NCU does not require threaded discussions, I like that. Many schools have online, timed tests you must take.

    You will do a lot more work, but you can do it on your own schedule and you don't have to attend class. However, if you have difficulty getting assignments in on time in a regular school, you will have more difficulty online. Online is not easy, at least the legitimate schools are not easy. But I totally love it.
     
  17. Chip

    Chip Administrator

    I think that is exactly the reason. What would be actually be a useful statistic is the number of peer-reviewed papers published as a percentage of degree-enrolled students. How much anyone want to bet those numbers are not available? :)
     
  18. wtguy1

    wtguy1 New Member

    It seems as if CityU ranking worlwide is quite low (its shows 2000 + VS UOP at 666). Again does this make any real difference?
     
  19. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Why would the useful statistic be number of peer-reviewed papers published as a percentage of degree-enrolled students? Why wouldn't the useful statistic on peer-reviewed publications have to do with faculty rather than students?
     
  20. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    No. I don't think anyone would take to heart a ranking that puts UofP over CityU.

    What world ranking system, by the way?
     

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