Does the semi B&M status of Argosy make it better than NCU

Does the fact that Argosy has B&M campuses all over the place help it's rating with employers? If you went to Argosy would people consider that your degree was B&M? Does that make it a better choice than NCU which is what I heard some call a ".com" school.

 

Hey! I didn't put those links into my post. Does the system do that? Please don't accuse me of spamming, I didn't do it.

 

I am always cruious about this as well 'cause if I attend Argosy on campus, I can receive Veterans BAH. However, I have to pay some 'cause of tuition differences, besides I am not really a fan of DBA. I might receive the entire Ph.D degree from NCU, Capella, and Walden for Free; but I don't get the BAH.

 

You could make the same argument about Univ of Phoenix. Argosy essentially has the same model; small campuses sprinkled throughout the US and a huge online presence. This very question has been the subject of debate many times on this board.

I personally would attend Argosy because I like the structure of the program and the residencies. Everything else is probably equal??

 

I agree. We all know that UOP bears the brunt of much criticism. Much of it is undeserved, but it has developed a less than perfect reputation in spite of B&M campuses. So, even with the B&M campuses, I don't think Argosy would be any better for you, but I might be biased considering that I go to NCU.

Also, Argosy is quite a bit more $$$ for a degree that has roughly the same utility.

 

Yea, I can live with it. Whatever it takes to keep this going is fine with me.

It's interesting that Argosy and Capella make links but Northcentral does not. Hey, I demand equal linkage!

 

That's discrimination!

 

Somebody get me the phone number for the ACLU!

 

If I could answer the original question...I'd say no, a semi-B&M presence doesn't make one better than the other in the marketplace because no one in the marketplace has heard of either school.

 

Do you think it would follow that a degree from UOP might be worse? I suggest this because everyone has heard of it, but maybe not in a good way since it has gotten so much bad press? (undeserved IMO).

 

I think that banner advertising on websites is fine. Even a (literally) misleading degree-finder that always seems to lead me to particular schools, even when I'm looking for programs that they don't offer, is easy to ignore.

But marketing software that actually reaches into and alters the content of discussion board posts is much more serious, something that the moderation crew needs to think very carefully about. The integrity of the board depends on readers' confidence that what they read here is what each post's author actually wrote. That's important when posts can be and sometimes are introduced into evidence in court cases.

 

What do you mean by the phrase "rating with employers"?

Does that matter?

If employers are just treating an applicant's degree as a check-the-box requirement, then any regionally accredited (and for many employers any 'NA') degree will do.

If employers are looking closely at the degree, if they truly need somebody with advanced expertise in a particular subject, then they are likely to be more interested in the academic, scholarly and professional reputation of the program that awarded the degree.

I think that at the bachelors level, we often see the first situation, but at the graduate level, especially when it's doctorates, we are going to encounter the second. Employers are unlikely to be seeking a doctoral degree unless they have some need for the expertise that that degree represents, so they will probably be paying closer attention to the academics.

Frankly, I don't see much difference between NCU, Phoenix, ArgXsy, CapeXXa and other proprietory schools of that sort. I don't think that employers will see very much difference either. They are all accredited but none of them have strong scholarly or professional reputations.

They are functional (if oftentimes overpriced) when degrees aren't a major consideration, and probably not tremendously competitive when they are.

 

Argosy is a tested product with many full time faculty members holding terminal degrees from this institution. I haven't seen many full time faculty members with NCU degrees in the market. I would take Argosy over NCU anytime not because NCU has a bad reputation but because Argosy has been long enough to probe themselves. By the way, Argosy started as University of Saratoga and it had a bad reputation at the beginning as it was running from a ex hotel location in Florida and started granting degrees without full RA accreditation, the school eventually gained some reputation and it was sold and the name was changed.
Argosy was a very affordable option with their DBA costing about 25K about 10 years ago, now it costs a small fortune but I still believe is a better bet than NCU as at least you have a product that is working and doing what is suppose to do (graduating people to become full time faculty members in Business).

 

I am not getting in the an NCU vs Argosy debate. Argosy is a good school but how is this "what they are supposed to do"? Isn't that the choice of the student and who polled the students asking them what their special purpose really was? Would Argosy graduates have a better chance of full time tenure track positions - I would guess yes, but who ever said that was the school or students mission?

 

Argosy might be better for a tenure track position, I suppose, but it's still a for-profit school that offers a lot of DL. I don't think it would be likely to get a tenure track position with a degree from either school. If you want to work at at B&M, it's probably best to go to one.

As for the automatic links, they are a bit annoying. However, anytime we are using something something without having to pay for it (tv, radio, Etc.), we should expect to endure some commercials. I say that we should not complain. Sorry, Bill.

 

Most PhD and DBA programs around the world are measured by the number of graduates that hold full time faculty positions. I understand that many PhD students might not care about getting full time positions but this is the main metric used for schools offering PhD programs. Basically, if a school has a good record of graduates holding full time faculty positions at good schools then it is a good program.

Business doctorates were created mainly to educate prospect faculty members although this seems to be changing as new programs are being marketed as super MBAs or executive programs.

 

Argosy started out as University of Sarasota (UoS) with its main campus in Sarasota Florida, and branch campus in Orange County California. UoS published the Journal of Modern Business, a peer-reviewed journal. Argosy still conducts academic conferences every year in Florida and Twin Cities. A search on University of Sarasota DBAs will find numerous full-time faculty at B&M universities.

 

My pick

Argosy University, is the better of the two....