Chancellor Univ. Show-Cause order

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  1. joel66

    joel66 New Member

    I just read this updated report from Higher Learning Commission that Chancellor was removed from probation, but the HLC issued a show-cause order. I'm curious if a school is removed from probation but was issued a show-cause order, is this a step forward or backwards?
     
  2. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    After reading the show-cause order, and discussing this with our school's assessment coordinator (who is a HLC evaluator), this is a BIG step back.

    Basically, Chancellor needs to convince the HLC that their accreditation should not be revoked.

    Shawn
     
  3. joel66

    joel66 New Member

    I guess I misread the report because why would they removed the probation status and not keep it on? Not unless they do the following steps:

    Step forward: Just remove probation status and no show-cause order.
    Lateral step: Remove probation status and issued show-cause order
    Step back: Keep probation status and issued show-cause order.

    It will be interesting to see what happens with this school. I can't remember what situation Grand Canyon University was in prior to Michael Clifford getting involved on turning that school around.
     
  4. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    Show-cause is the final step before losing accreditation. The HLC will keep a school on probation for a maximum of 2 years. After 2 years the school must either have progressed or the show-cause order is given.

    Apparently, the HLC has decided that Chancellor has shown no progress as a result of the visit to the school, and has decided to give the show-cause order. Not good for the school, esp. when this news goes public.
     
  5. joel66

    joel66 New Member

    Thank you for the info Shawn.
     
  6. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    The HLC has spelled out what Chancellor U needs to accomplish:

    Apply for PR

    Shawn
     
  7. Chip

    Chip Administrator

    I loosely followed the situation of a St. Andrews Presbyterian College, small liberal arts college in South Carolina, as it went through the same process. The school (as with most RA schools who lose their accreditation) has experienced severe financial problems and did not have adequate financial reserves. They were on probation for 2 years, and finally the Southern Association sent them an order revoking their accreditation.

    But... that wasn't the last word. The school filed suit against SACS, claiming that it was simply a "disagreement" about the school's financial plan. (Someone inside the school told me otherwise.) The school succeeded in getting an injunction preventing SACS from revoking accreditation. That was 2 or 3 years ago.

    Finally, this year, the case was "settled" with an understanding that SACS would extend accreditation through May 2010. On its website, the school now disingenuously states that it "will end it's association" with SACS in May, 2010, and that it's acquired accreditation by some totally off-brand accreditor.

    I wonder how often the loss of accreditation plays out this way, where the school manages to drag out the inevitable for another couple of years? And I wonder how long a school typically survives after losing RA and switching to an "off brand" acccreditor?

    In this particular case, reading the show cause order, it looks like the problems are pretty insurmountable. It looks like a combination of severe management issues, programmatic problems, and perhaps infighting or inconsistency in direction of programs.
     
  8. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Chancellor was just caught (by the reliable Bloomsburg BusinessWeek) trolling for students in homeless shelters, signing them up, getting federal loans for them, and paying them a stipend. This cannot help their standing with their accreditor.

    They seem to be saying that they did this because the University of Phoenix was also doing it. (And so they were . . . and Phoenix -- what a surprise -- blames the practice on renegade recruiting agents, and says they won't do it any more.)

    Bloomsburg story here: The Homeless at College - BusinessWeek
     
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  9. joel66

    joel66 New Member

    I read that article this morning and was disappointed, but I'm curious who many other schools are doing this? I think this is a great way (with good intentions) for someone who is homeless can use the financial aid grants and loans to get the money they need to attend community college and get both their AA degree and technical, health or business learning. If a private school wants to tap into the disadvantage like someone on welfare, I cannot see how they can charge the same type of rates for these people. Meaning, lets say Chancellor Univ. for example. I am an Army veteran and my rate is 250 per unit. If you're not a veteran is 600 per unit.

    In my opinion, it would be completely wrong to charge people 600 per unit and get them into very high loans. Instead, something should be done, so they have enough money to survive and continue their education by charging lower units per semester like veterans. Better yet, provide some type of shelter for these people, so they can focus on their education. I think if people want to go recruit homeless then the school should allow only AA degrees and charge similar to the community colleges. This is what would benefit people in financial situations, not focus on numbers.

    I am still at crossroads with the school, because I just completed my second course at Chancellor. I really love the program, the faculty and classmates, and it amazes me to see how they got into this situation in the first place. I also had the opportunity to correspond with Jack Welch, since he posted his video encouraging students to email him. I also listened to the podcast last night from Steve Kerr at Total Picture Radio about what they want to do with the program.

    I have also completed my application with Liberty University's MS in Accounting program, because I was thinking of doing this program concurrently with Jack Welch MBA, but also considered NCU's MBA in Finance. My brain is racing all over the place I'm so freaking confused now.
     
  10. joel66

    joel66 New Member

    I just sent a long email to the school about that article and better ways to assist people who are homeless. Not sure what I want to do now.
     
  11. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Did anyone else notice that the homeless person in the article was receiving "phone calls and e-mails" from UoP? Apparently, being homeless these days doesn't necessarily mean one is without access to some technology goodies.
     
  12. joel66

    joel66 New Member

    Didn't you noticed an increase in your cell phone / landline phone rates? I noticed that a few months ago. Around the same time I noticed my rates increased, I was listening to the radio about people under a certain income level gets like 50 or so free minutes per month. I heard that a lot of fraud is going on with these free phones and minutes.
     
  13. joel66

    joel66 New Member

    I guess I pulled out at the right time. I just read this article from Crain's Cleveland Business. For some reason the link doesn't work when I paste URL into my browser. If you type the following line below in google news you can read an interesting article about the school. After reading all the changes the past few months, I can't see how this school will even make it until March 2011.

    "For-profit Chancellor in hot water"
     
  14. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    I just read the article. Revolving door leadership...not good. Yea, I think you made the right call.

    Shawn
     
  15. joel66

    joel66 New Member

    I just received an email from Chancellor University that the Higher Learning Commission has removed the school from Show Cause. Even though I am not attending that school, I am happy they are taken off that restriction. The courses I took at that school was excellent and good interaction with the professors and other students. I noticed HLC has not updated the webpage yet.
     
  16. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

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