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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta View Post
    That's right! Even if they are legitimate schools, in my opinion, most USA corporations would laugh!
    Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I can't really argue against that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bazonkers View Post
    Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I can't really argue against that.
    I appreciate that!

    Previous threads have talked about the "stigma" US regionally accredited degrees earned through distant learning carry. I can't even fathom the stigma of a foreign DL degree, accredited or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillDayson View Post

    That's not to say that every program originating in India or Mexico is credible either. That's obviously not the case. People have to be discerning.
    I have friends who have graduated from accredited schools from both of those countries and the corruption and bribery is incredible!

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    Turning to Mexico, several Mexican universities are American regionally-accredited.
    And even professionally accredited. For example, the Monterrey Institute of Technology and Higher Education (ITESM) is:

    - regionally accredited by SACS
    - AACSB accredited for business degrees
    - ABET accredited for engineering degrees

    A Mexican engineering degree from ITESM (which has ABET accreditation) has more value and utility in the US than an engineering degree from an American school like National University (which is RA but not ABET). For most employers, graduate schools, and licensing boards, the ABET/non-ABET distinction would be more important than the US/non-US distinction.

    I have friends who have graduated from accredited schools from both of those countries and the corruption and bribery is incredible!
    That's probably one reason that foreign schools seek US accreditation. It's deemed more credible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalDog View Post
    And even professionally accredited. For example, the Monterrey Institute of Technology and Higher Education (ITESM) is:

    - regionally accredited by SACS
    - AACSB accredited for business degrees
    - ABET accredited for engineering degrees

    A Mexican engineering degree from ITESM (which has ABET accreditation) has more value and utility in the US than an engineering degree from an American school like National University (which is RA but not ABET). For most employers, graduate schools, and licensing boards, the ABET/non-ABET distinction would be more important than US/non-US.
    I guess one can say they went to "M.I.T" if they go to Monterrey Institute of Technology.

    Quote Originally Posted by CalDog View Post
    That's probably one reason that foreign schools seek US accreditation. It's deemed more credible.
    Good theory!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta View Post
    Previous threads have talked about the "stigma" US regionally accredited degrees earned through distant learning carry. I can't even fathom the stigma of a foreign DL degree, accredited or not.
    On the doctoral level, I don't think that the DL/non-DL or the US/foreign issues are nearly as important as the fundamental issue of a program's academic credibility. If a doctoral program is perceived as being academically and intellectually strong, then employers aand professional peers won't be particularly concerned with its nationality or whether it's DL or not. They will be impressed by the reputation. (Nobody worries about Oxford, despite its being foreign.)

    The problems that you refer to arises when a program is unknown. It's doubly true with DL, since the great majority of DL doctoral programs are degree-mills and the whole subject lives under a dark cloud of suspicion to begin with. If a program has no reputation and nothing to boast except claims of accreditation from some place where accreditation standards are equally unknown, then we're getting nowhere. If that accreditation is unusual and unique, unlike what conventional universities in the same location have, then it's even worse and we're going backwards. (How many Indian universities claim Mexican accreditation? How many Mexican-accredited universities operate doctoral programs from India?) If academic reputation (criterion #1) and accreditation (only second-best) aren't convincing, then what's left? (Ouiji boards!)

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    It's remarkable how closely ITESM (sorry, nobody calls it "MIT") has adhered to the US system. Not only does ITESM have US accreditation, it also has American-style admissions requirements. Applicants take a standardized test, known as the "Prueba de Aptitud Académica" (PAA), just as college-bound American students take the SAT.

    And where does the PAA come from? From the College Board -- the same US organization that administers the SAT to Americans. The College Board offers the PAA as a Spanish-language alternative.

    Again, this approach seems likely to build trust and credibility in a country where corruption is common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta View Post
    I have friends who have graduated from accredited schools from both of those countries and the corruption and bribery is incredible!
    Which schools?

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    Miagra, where do you find all these borderline, may-be-legitimate schools? Seriously, is there a reverse Ivy League for those somewhere?

    Thanks for great infotainment. Something needs to fill the void MIGS and Berne discussions used to fill. I admit I like the topic, and somehow EUCLID is not substantial enough to sparkle real debate ;)

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    where else other than from www.greenvalley.edu.in and there is a list of list of fake universities in India http://www.ugc.ac.in/inside/fakealerts.html and some useful info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta View Post
    Come on folks...no one will take a diploma from Mexico or India seriously including corporations from Mexico and India.
    I would take an ITT graduate over any graduate from an online American school.

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    Are you serious?

    Double post deleted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta View Post
    If you people want to go to an online diploma mill from Mexico or India.. go for it! You can debate the merits of University of Azteca until you are blue in the face. I am simply stating that this will be a liability in the USA, not an asset!

    Perhaps this type of nonsense school works in Mexico or India but I don't buy into it.
    Nonsense school? Exactly what do you know about it, other than it is from outside the United States? Are you of the mindset that education can't happen from anywhere else? That people of less prosperous countries are incapable of learning?

    This thread was about asking for information about the institution. As far as anything anyone has contributed to it, I have not seen anything suspicious nor any proof that the education is inferior. We all know that there are people whose ignorance would not allow them to accept nor respect a degree from a country such as Mexico or India. Unless you have anything to substantiate your condescension, I have no choice but to conclude that you are simply one of them- making you are either a troll, a racist, or, to be fair, an extreme ethnocentrist. I would like you to either enlighten us about your knowledge of this institution, or admit to which one you are.

    EDIT: I am not saying that I have seen enough evidence to convince me that this school is trustworthy either. I am simply saying that I haven't seen any evidence that it isn't. Even if it turns out to be illegitimate, your claims about foreign education in general are wrong minus one: it IS true that such a degree would find trouble in its acceptability in the United States. My previous comments refer to the condescending and ethnocentric tone of the totality of all of your comments. "Nonsense school" is uncalled for until you can prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maniac Craniac View Post
    Nonsense school? Exactly what do you know about it, other than it is from outside the United States? Are you of the mindset that education can't happen from anywhere else? That people of less prosperous countries are incapable of learning?

    Unfortunately, a lot people use the same logic to evaluate education credentials. We don't like when people trash our education credentials because they were earned online but it seems to be ok to trash schools only because they are from developing nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maniac Craniac View Post
    Nonsense school? Exactly what do you know about it, other than it is from outside the United States? Are you of the mindset that education can't happen from anywhere else? That people of less prosperous countries are incapable of learning?

    This thread was about asking for information about the institution. As far as anything anyone has contributed to it, I have not seen anything suspicious nor any proof that the education is inferior. We all know that there are people whose ignorance would not allow them to accept nor respect a degree from a country such as Mexico or India. Unless you have anything to substantiate your condescension, I have no choice but to conclude that you are simply one of them- making you are either a troll, a racist, or, to be fair, an extreme ethnocentrist. I would like you to either enlighten us about your knowledge of this institution, or admit to which one you are.

    EDIT: I am not saying that I have seen enough evidence to convince me that this school is trustworthy either. I am simply saying that I haven't seen any evidence that it isn't. Even if it turns out to be illegitimate, your claims about foreign education in general are wrong minus one: it IS true that such a degree would find trouble in its acceptability in the United States. My previous comments refer to the condescending and ethnocentric tone of the totality of all of your comments. "Nonsense school" is uncalled for until you can prove it.
    Condesceding yes, ethnocentric maybe, more of a stir the pot get under your skin type for the heck of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta View Post
    Condesceding yes, ethnocentric maybe, more of a stir the pot get under your skin type for the heck of it.
    Like I said earlier, you are certainly entitled to your opinion but now I've formed my own opinion about you.
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