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    Ontario College Diploma: Transferable?

    A friend of mine just finished her Ontario College Diploma in accounting :

    http://www.senecac.on.ca/fulltime/ACC.html#layer7

    She now wants to continue on to do her BSc in accounting ... does anyone know if the credits she earned for this diploma will transfer into a RA BSc program in the USA?

    General info about Ontario's colleges/diplomas/etc:
    http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/general...c/college.html
    http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/general/list/college.html

    If anyone here has experience with this ... will schools generally accept some? All? None? I imagine it varies between schools, I've already contacted a few schools (Excelsior, Peru State, Liberty ) to ask ...

    The only Canadian university she has found that will accept 100% of her credits (basically letting her start in year 3 of her BSc) is the University of Ottawa, but she doesn't really want to move, so an online program would be ideal.
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    If I'm understanding correctly, "college diploma" in Canada refers to the equivalent of a two-year degree from a community college or technical college in the US. Such as it is, if a college has the equivalent of accreditation in its own country, it is generally considered GAAP equivalent for purposes of transfer accross international borders. Thus, if your friend's degree is provincially chartered in Ontario, I wouldn't see why not. Your friend could also have her/his degree evaluated by a foreign credential evaluation service. BTW - We just had a thread on accounting degrees that led to an old thread: http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthr...threadid=19406.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emmzee View Post
    A friend of mine just finished her Ontario College Diploma in accounting :

    http://www.senecac.on.ca/fulltime/ACC.html#layer7

    She now wants to continue on to do her BSc in accounting ... does anyone know if the credits she earned for this diploma will transfer into a RA BSc program in the USA?

    General info about Ontario's colleges/diplomas/etc:
    http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/general...c/college.html
    http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/general/list/college.html

    If anyone here has experience with this ... will schools generally accept some? All? None? I imagine it varies between schools, I've already contacted a few schools (Excelsior, Peru State, Liberty ) to ask ...

    The only Canadian university she has found that will accept 100% of her credits (basically letting her start in year 3 of her BSc) is the University of Ottawa, but she doesn't really want to move, so an online program would be ideal.
    There are two types of Diploma in Ontario:

    Ontario College Diploma (2 year program) = RA Associate Degree
    Ontario College Advanced Diploma (3 year program) = Between RA Associate and Baccalaureate Degree

    The University of Ontario Institute of Technology (UOIT) will accept all the credits in an Ontario College Diploma and allow entry into year 3 of a 4-year Bachelor of Commerce (B.Comm.) honours program. There is a summer transition program.

    https://connect.uoit.ca/uoit/program...&programID=168

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    Quote Originally Posted by emmzee View Post
    A friend of mine just finished her Ontario College Diploma in accounting :

    http://www.senecac.on.ca/fulltime/ACC.html#layer7

    She now wants to continue on to do her BSc in accounting ... does anyone know if the credits she earned for this diploma will transfer into a RA BSc program in the USA?

    General info about Ontario's colleges/diplomas/etc:
    http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/general...c/college.html
    http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/general/list/college.html

    If anyone here has experience with this ... will schools generally accept some? All? None? I imagine it varies between schools, I've already contacted a few schools (Excelsior, Peru State, Liberty ) to ask ...

    The only Canadian university she has found that will accept 100% of her credits (basically letting her start in year 3 of her BSc) is the University of Ottawa, but she doesn't really want to move, so an online program would be ideal.
    Athabasca University might be another distance education option for your friend to consider. Check both the BSc and BGS degrees to determine which best meets her requirements.
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    Hi thanks for your input and suggestions!

    I did check the recent threads re online accounting degrees ... no reply from Excelsior, Peru State, or Liberty yet. However I noticed after I posted last night that Liberty has a free credit evaluation service:
    http://www.luonline.com/index.cfm?PID=14342
    So I recommended that she do that. :)

    I checked Athabasca, they will award 45 credits for an Ontario College Diploma:
    http://www.athabascau.ca/calendar/page03_06_04.html
    Which is not bad, so it's an option but not the equivalent of 2 years of university credits which is the ideal we're looking for (and which may not exist).

    Similarly, UOIT requires 5 bridging courses, so while that is definitely an option, it's not optimal. :) It doesn't look like this is a distance program? It's not TOO far away from here but would still be a significant drive there and back.
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    Your friend should talk to Seneca College and find out what articulation agreements are in place.

    See: http://senecacollege.ca/sbm/programs.html

    Best wishes----Jim

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    Thanks for that link ... from there I was able to find this list of schools that Seneca already has adgreements with:

    http://www.senecac.on.ca/degreetrans....html?code=ACC

    I will have to look thru them later to see which one(s) would be appropriate.

    BTW Peru State replied to my email basically saying "Apply to our program, it's free! And we'll let you know" -_-'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Henley View Post
    There are two types of Diploma in Ontario:

    Ontario College Diploma (2 year program) = RA Associate Degree
    Ontario College Advanced Diploma (3 year program) = Between RA Associate and Baccalaureate Degree
    To make it more confusing, I think some Ontario colleges offer a 3 year bachelor degree. Would the 3 year diploma program be considered the equivalent of a 3 year bachelor degree program?

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    Talk about much ado about nothing.....

    Ontario Colleges have 3 year diplomas (and 2 year diplomas too) but they get 60-75 credit hours transfers a best into a 4 year program within canada.

    However, I have seen ways for Ontario college students go to the US and get deemed "equivalent to a degree" for visa purposes. (only accounting or IT grads) I have seen many other wacky moves for students in Ontario to navigate the system before a Tim Hortons cup told me to Go West Old Man.

    Now I do also know students who've taken their 3 year Ontario diploma, applied to US RA schools (B&M or distance schools) and get 90 credit hours. I know the school in Sault Ste Marie Michigan gives 90 hrs towards a 4 year degree from Ontario 3 yr Accounting Diploma grads.

    The real question is the END game? i know of ways for Ontario College students to leave the province, get transfers for CMA courses then do 30 credits from AU and qualify for the CMA (with a 3 yr degree tho).

    PM me for more details

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffs View Post
    Talk about much ado about nothing.....

    Ontario Colleges have 3 year diplomas (and 2 year diplomas too) but they get 60-75 credit hours transfers a best into a 4 year program within canada.

    However, I have seen ways for Ontario college students go to the US and get deemed "equivalent to a degree" for visa purposes. (only accounting or IT grads) I have seen many other wacky moves for students in Ontario to navigate the system before a Tim Hortons cup told me to Go West Old Man.

    Now I do also know students who've taken their 3 year Ontario diploma, applied to US RA schools (B&M or distance schools) and get 90 credit hours. I know the school in Sault Ste Marie Michigan gives 90 hrs towards a 4 year degree from Ontario 3 yr Accounting Diploma grads.

    The real question is the END game? i know of ways for Ontario College students to leave the province, get transfers for CMA courses then do 30 credits from AU and qualify for the CMA (with a 3 yr degree tho).

    PM me for more details
    Speaking of the End Game, if emmzee’s friend is going to become a CGA, CMA or CA she needs to make sure that her degree solution is acceptable to the accounting association and results in the least amount of additional work to become qualified.
    Remember that any degree obtained outside of the national jurisdiction will contain courses that will need to be done again (e.g., taxation , business law, etc.)
    In addition, while the world is moving to international accounting standards , we are not there yet (if ever!). So, make sure that the accounting courses apply also.
    Best wishes----Jim

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    Hey everyone, thank you for your replies, I will probably talk to her tomorrow, because you're right, she needs to make absolutely sure that wherever she goes fits the requirements for whichever certification she is going for. (I really dunno much about those, so, hopefully she does, or she'll have to find out!)

    geoffs, I may PM you for advice once she figures out exactly what she needs etc ... thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorvald View Post
    Speaking of the End Game, if emmzee’s friend is going to become a CGA, CMA or CA she needs to make sure that her degree solution is acceptable to the accounting association and results in the least amount of additional work to become qualified.
    Remember that any degree obtained outside of the national jurisdiction will contain courses that will need to be done again (e.g., taxation , business law, etc.)
    In addition, while the world is moving to international accounting standards , we are not there yet (if ever!). So, make sure that the accounting courses apply also.
    Best wishes----Jim
    Good point Jim, CA makes it clear 4 year/120 credit degree as requirement. CGA/CMA, havent but might too join that club

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