Who knows Frederick Taylor University ?

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  1. Stan62

    Stan62 New Member

    I have found on the web an university offering a Ph D in business administration. After completing the web form, they sent me letter of acceptance, a very simple programme, with no description about courses content. All cost 4500 $.
    Does someone knows about Frederick Taylor University, Incorporated in Montana, office located on suite 203, Moraga CA ?
    Thanks for any info.
    I am definitely looking for real courses , especially in research methodology. Any advises on this matter will be highly appreciated.
    Stan
     
  2. Yan

    Yan New Member

    Some comments on Frederick Taylor University were made at this Forum previously at http://www.degreeinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002441.html
     
  3. Frangop

    Frangop New Member

    ***** Is FTU really incorporated in Montana?

    CFr
     
  4. Maven

    Maven New Member

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    Thanks for any info.
    I am definitely looking for real courses , especially in research methodology. Any advises on this matter will be highly appreciated.
    Stan[/B][/QUOTE]I am currently finishing an MBA is Strategic Management at FTU and the coursework is very challenging and demanding though many on this forum would disagree. I have had nothing be a great experience with FTU. Now, Frederick Taylor "International" University was originally headquarted out of Hawaii but moved to Montana. Something to do with a law suit with the state of Hawaii.
    John Bear, in an earlier thead on this forum eluded to it. FTU in California does not grant Ph.D's. FTIU does. I'll be finishing my Ph.D in Executive Management at FTIU once the MBA is completed. I have contacted many people who have gone through FTIU for their Ph.D and all have been extremely satisfied and hold RA undergrad degrees such as myself. I'm in the extreme minorty on this forum but judge for yourself and you'll make the right decision.



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    Maven
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I am currently finishing an MBA is Strategic Management at FTU and the coursework is very challenging and demanding though many on this forum would disagree. I have had nothing be a great experience with FTU. Now, Frederick Taylor "International" University was originally headquarted out of Hawaii but moved to Montana. Something to do with a law suit with the state of Hawaii.
    John Bear, in an earlier thead on this forum eluded to it. FTU in California does not grant Ph.D's. FTIU does. I'll be finishing my Ph.D in Executive Management at FTIU once the MBA is completed. I have contacted many people who have gone through FTIU for their Ph.D and all have been extremely satisfied and hold RA undergrad degrees such as myself. I'm in the extreme minorty on this forum but judge for yourself and you'll make the right decision.

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    While you're judging, consider this: FTU is only approved to operate a few programs in California. So they moved the rest of their operation "off-shore" to Hawaii, where the laws regarding unaccredited schools are considerably more lax. But they couldn't even handle that. (Which is mainly that they have a small number of Hawaiians enrolled and a physical presence in the state. It wasn't until recently that Hawaii started pursuing violators of these provisions, hence the move elsewere.)

    California tolerates this because they have neither the means nor the legal grounds to stop it. (But one must wonder if they could at least pull FTU's approval--and other schools engaging in this end-around.) But is that the basis for making a decision about which degree program to take?

    FTIU is not a university, nor does it issue recognized university degrees. It only pretends to do so, with the conspiratorial assistance of its customers. So there.

    There can be a narrow case made for a few unaccredited schools. That is, those who've stayed away from the accrediting process--not those who are simply pre-accrediteed. I like Bill Dayson's comments about a few niche schools, and David Yamada's choice is a good one, too. But for the most part, the rest of these operations are unaccredited because they choose to operate a substandard business. The RAs used to exclude outstanding DL programs, but they don't anymore. A school with a niche, serving a small and defined population, might have a reason to operate without accreditation. And it will expect to be evaluated on its own merits. But the rest have no excuse, and certainly are not entitled to some baseline of presumed quality and value. What separates FTIU from Columbia State? Nothing in terms of their legal right to operate or the value of the degrees they issue. That is very telling.

    This all might be legal (once FTIU settles into its new, less-regulated digs). But it isn't ethical. Oh, and it isn't academic, either.


    Rich Douglas
     

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