Help going from DETC to RA

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by John Moore, Dec 31, 2001.

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  1. John Moore

    John Moore member

    Hi there, I am new to this board and need some help. I recently earned my Masters in Health Administration from California College for Health Sciences. Does anyone know what PhD program would allow me to enroll? I hear Capella might? Any others? Thanks!


    John Moore
     
  2. Ike

    Ike New Member

    You may also try freign schools that either have or are seeking DETC accreditation (University of South Africa, etc).
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member


    Union, Fielding, Phoenix, and Walden all say "no." But I imagine individual exceptions might be available (no promises, though).

    I didn't ask Northcentral, Nova Southeastern, and many others.

    Rich Douglas
     
  4. John Moore

    John Moore member

    Thanks for the tip - I will look around.
     
  5. Ike

    Ike New Member

    I meant foreign schools or schools that are not located in the U.S that either have or are seeking DETC accreditation. For the record, Nova Southeastern University does NOT accept credits from DETC accredited schools.
     
  6. irat

    irat New Member

    The acceptance of transfer credits is an interesting one. Some RA brick & mortor institutions do not routinely accept college credits earned at other RA brick & mortor businesses.
    In VT we have the usual combination of state supported colleges, the State College System (SCS), the University of Vermont (UVM) and private colleges. Up until the 1990's UVM did not routinely accept credits earned through the SUS or other colleges. A statewide committee finally negociated about 15 SUS courses that UVM would accept. UVM therefore accepts about 5% of the SUS offerings. Individual UVM departments may be more accepting.
    The reverse direction is a little easier. But due to different standards SUS accepts about 80% of the UVM offerings. Again individual departments may be more accepting.
    I understand that DETC accredited college credits are not routinely accepted by many colleges. I think the student is wise to look at ACE and other methods to increase the liklihood of transfer. However, that rule should apply to anyone taking college classes who would want to transfer them at a future date. Check out the rules of the colleges you want to transfer courses to. Then only take the classes which have the highest chance of transfer.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Argosy says they'll consider it.

    Rich Douglas
     
  8. Mary A

    Mary A Member

     
  9. sp9624

    sp9624 member

    Capella University and Touro University International (both good programs) WILL accept DETC masters degrees as meeting their PhD admissions requirement. Additionally, Temple Univeristy says that a DETC Masters degree will not disqualify the PhD applicant. On a side note, Villanova University Law School WILL accept students with undergraduate degrees from California College for Health Sciences.

    After researching this for issue for quite some time, I have found that many traditional universities with highly rated doctoral programs WILL accept students with DETC degrees. However, many of those programs will require the applicant to take the GMAT or GRE if he/she has not already done so. This is something that most DETC Masters programs do not require, so most DETC graduates would have to take one of the aforementioned exams.

    It is my opinion that many students with DETC degrees are seeking admissions into virtual, distance, or low quality RA programs because they feel that is the best they can do. In reality however, I feel that DETC students with graduate degrees will have a better chance at gaining acceptance into well known traditional universities. One reason may be because these schools are not in not in direct competition with DETC programs.

    Many people on this site are placing way too much emphasis on the superiority of regional accreditation. As long as a program is accredited by a US DOE recognized agency, students will be able to transfer into traditional universities. I am well aware of Dr Bear and his surveys regarding DETC acceptance. However, his surveys probably fail to take into consideration one thing; MONEY. A traditional school may have a blanket "NO DETC" policy, but when they have your application and transcripts, they will rarely turn down your tuition money.

    I am a graduate of a DETC ASB program, and I went on to a regionally accredited B.S. program. Before transferring, I applied to numerous regionally accredited schools, and all but one accepted me. The only school that outright refused me was a lousy (tier 4) PA state school; a school that would have been my last choice anyway. Most of the schools, many of which had “NO DETC” policies, accepted me and my entire Associates Degree with open arms. Some however, accepted me, but tried to shove me into their university colleges or adult/night programs. Either way, my personal acceptance rate was 90%.

    My ASB was from one of least respected DETC schools; at least according to sites like this. On the other hand, my B.S. is from a top tier program. Although I enjoyed both experiences, that fact is, I actually had a slightly tougher time at the DETC school. I will agree though, that the lack of constant instructional support from professors may have played a role in that.

    In any event, DETC schools are NOT second rate, and should therefore be equally respected and accepted. If anything, the DETC is more suited to evaluate distance programs because that is their specialty. Therefore, one could argue that distance degrees earned at DETC schools should be held in higher regard than those earned at RA schools. This means that if one is going to bash a DETC program, they should also be bashing distance learning in general.

    If I paid attention to all of the negative DETC talk, I would be out an additional $40,000 for the same education I have today. Anyone considering going to college in a non-traditional way, should never rule out DETC programs. This is because when it comes right down to it, most regionally accredited institutions WILL accept DETC degrees and/or credits. If not they will not do so via “transfer”, they will do so via “credit documentation”; especially if there are ACE recommendations.

    Most regionally accredited schools will probably never have an open DETC policy because doing so would make it impossible for them to justify their extremely high tuition rates and salaries. However, I am positive that most regionally accredited schools will continue to secretly accept credits earned at nationally accredited institutions; as they should.

    MSP

    MBA, (Candidate)
    B.S., Roger Williams University
    ASB, Center for Degree Studies

    **Law school next fall**
     
  10. Gary Rients

    Gary Rients New Member

    I really find this hard to believe, unless Thomson was literally paying you to take their courses. Am I misunderstanding, or are you really claiming that you couldn't have obtained an RA associate's degree in business for less than $40,000 (plus the cost of your DETC degree)? You don't honestly believe that, do you? Even if your MBA is also through a DETC school, that's still a grossly exaggerated figure.
     
  11. sp9624

    sp9624 member

    It is simple really: Tuition at RWU is approx $20,000 per year plus expenses . That means a full 4 years at RWU would have been about $80,000 plus. By completing my first 2 years at CDS for less than $3,000, I saved almost $40,000, and still got a degree from a top tier school.

    I definitely would have been able to obtain a regionally accredited associates degree for less than $40,000, but that was not my argument. Sorry if that statement caused any confusion.

    MSP
     
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  12. Gary Rients

    Gary Rients New Member

    So you're saying that you would have incurred more expense if you hadn't attempted to get credit for the DETC courses/degree that you'd already completed. I can buy that, thanks for clarifying. You wouldn't have necessarily spent $40k more though, since you could still have taken and transferred those courses from a much less expensive RA school rather than taking them from RWU.
     
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  13. sp9624

    sp9624 member

    I totally agree that I could have attended a 2 year school for a fair price and then transferred to RWU. I am just saying that my degree from CDS made it possible for me to get the degree I wanted at a much lower overall price.
     
  14. Myoptimism

    Myoptimism New Member

    Hi John,

    Good luck on your search. I'm curious. What happened to the South Africa school you were going to attend?

    Tony
     
  15. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    John's post is from a year ago. I believe after that post he applied and was accepted at UNISA showing that DETC degrees do have utility. I enjoyed his posts at the other board. Too bad he isn't interested in posting here.
     

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