PhD in Management?

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  1. ethanre

    ethanre New Member

    I was wondering of anyone knows of PhD programs (distance or online) in 'management' or 'business management'.

    I have a computer sci BS degree, don't have an MBA or an MA and I'm looking for PhD programs only, not MBA's.

    I had a college professor tell me to keep my day job and find a PhD in biz via distance study from an Ivy League (this is compared to my other option of leaving a good job to attend a PhD program full time.) but I can't find any DL PhD's in biz.

    By the way, I can manage to spend 3 weeks residence per academic yr.

    I prefer programs in the US or Can, since I live in the US.

    Why PhD? I'd like to teach management in colleges and universities

    Do you know of any business or management DL PhD programs?
     
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  2. emmzee

    emmzee New Member

    Do you have any post-graduate study? The usual requirement for a PhD is to have a master's degree. You may be admitted without one (although it would be more difficult to get in, given that most of the competition would have MBA/MSc/MA/etc) but even then you'd likely have to do work equivalent to a master's before you even started on your PhD work.
     
  3. ethanre

    ethanre New Member

    None in post grad study
     
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  4. ethanre

    ethanre New Member

    I dont have any post-graduate study
     
  5. emmzee

    emmzee New Member

    Ah, okay, sorry I posted before you edited your original post to add more info.

    I'd ask the college prof to give you some suggestions as to which Ivy league schools (assumedly AACSB accredited) would let you complete a PhD via distance without any prior graduate study? That seems unlikely to me, but, you never know ...
     
  6. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    In Canada, you have the Doctor of Business Administration program from Athabasca University. However, you would need to finish an MBA first before enrolling there. Athabasca scores well in Canada for its MBA programs but not really an Ivy league school.

    Distance doctorates from Ivy League schools hardly exist in the US or Canada. Some Ivy British schools offer distance learning doctorates including University of Manchester and Henley College but these are not by any means cheap or easy programs, you would need also an MBA from another Ivy league school to get admission as well.

    There are some residential programs that would take a BSc in Computer Science for a PhD program but not many for distance learning at least for top schools.

    You also have the online virtual universities from Capella, TUI, NorthCentral that would take you for their PhD with a BS in Computer Science but these schools are not even close to be Ivy league schools and are not really designed to put you on the track of being a college professor at least for tenure track positions. They are a good options if you want to teach on the side as adjunct or if you are looking for an administration career in education rather than tenure faculty.
     
  7. ethanre

    ethanre New Member


    I asked the proff with an email but did not get a response. I looked at all the Ivyleague programs and none had a PhD just very expensive MBA's
     
  8. ethanre

    ethanre New Member

    I agree, I looked at all the Ivyleague programs and none had a PhD just very expensive MBA's

    Let's forget about a PhD from an Ivy League.

    If my goal is to each (management / biz) in state universities and become tenured, what would you advice I do?
     
  9. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member


    You can teach at community colleges with a masters degree in most, if not all, states. So why not pick up a masters then follow up with a doctorate.

    For a really good doctorate look at this one in technology management (perhaps as close to an Ivy League school as you are going to find online):
    http://www.indstate.edu/consortphd/faq.html
     
  10. Han

    Han New Member

    Grenoble - Has visits in the US as well as France.

    Aston University
     
  11. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Well, first of all, since you have no master's, let's address that one first. Even though you have no master's, it is still possible to get direct admission to a doctorate; however, you will still have to complete the same number of credits as you would have if you had gotten separate master's and doctoral degrees. Thus, you would apply for direct admission to the doctorate and then, upon completion of your first 30 semester hours or 45 quarter hours, you would be qualified to take what is called a master's in passing. Then you would do a further 30 semester hours or 45 quarter hours of coursework, and upon completion thereof, you would take (and you would have two tries to pass) your comprehensive final exams. Passage of same then qualifies you to call yourself a doctoral candidate or to say that you're on ABD (all but dissertation) status. Your next step would be to write your dissertation. There are two parts to this, the mini and the maxi. The mini is the dissertation proposal. This includes both your lit review and your research esign. Talk to Capella Rocks about this. He recently made it to dissertation phase at Capella. He's doing his dissertation on the human resource aspects of National Guard retention. Others whom you might talk to who either hold doctorates (or are doctoral candidates) in business are our beloved mod Randell1234 (NCU) and C. Novick, a chief of police in Noi Joisey who is doing the DBA in Criminal Justice Management at NorthCentral University and who has also expressed interest in the MA in Civil War Studies at American Military University. As for the issue of Ivy League schools offering online doctorates in business administration, I don't think such a thing exists, though the University of Pennsylvania offers a short-residency EdD with a major, I believe, in Organization & Management. Where are you located and would you be able to tolerate a few residencies.
     
  12. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    I have a few edits for you.

    Well, first of all, since you have no master's, let's address that one first. Even though you have no master's, it is still possible to get direct admission to a doctorate; however, you will still have to complete the same number of credits as you would have if you had gotten separate master's and doctoral degrees. Thus, you would apply for direct admission to the doctorate and then, upon completion of your first 30 semester hours or 45 quarter hours, you would be qualified to take what is called a master's in passing. Then you would do a further 30 semester hours or 45 quarter hours of coursework, and upon completion thereof, you would take (and you would have two tries to pass) your comprehensive final exams. Passage of same then qualifies you to call yourself a doctoral candidate or to say that you're on ABD (all but dissertation) status. Your next step would be to write your dissertation. There are two parts to this, the mini and the maxi. The mini is the dissertation proposal. This includes both your lit review and your research design. EDIT: Then, of course, the maxi is the complete dissertation.

    Talk to Capella Rocks (now known as Shawn A) about this. He recently made it to dissertation phase at Capella. He's doing his dissertation on the human resource aspects of National Guard retention. Others whom you might talk to who either hold doctorates (or are doctoral candidates) in business are our very own beloved mod Randell1234 (NCU) and C. Novick, a chief of police in Noi Joisey who is doing the DBA in Criminal Justice Management at NorthCentral University and who has also expressed interest in the MA in Civil War Studies at American Military University. EDIT: Also, you may want to join the website, PhinisheD (though I forget whether that's .com or .edu). Oh! I think Lady Executive might also be pursuing a PhD in Business or a DBA! (Sorry if I've forgotten anyone.)

    As for the issue of Ivy League schools offering online doctorates in business administration, I don't think such a thing exists, though the University of Pennsylvania offers a short-residency EdD with a major, I believe, in Organization & Management. Where are you located and would you be able to tolerate a few residencies? EDIT: If there are no viable Ivy League options, the next thing to look for is an AACSB doc. When I first joined this august board, there were but three options for AACSB docs, two in England and one in France. The one in France is Grenoble but I forget the names of the two 9in England. (Maybe someone else could help me out here.) The AACSB has expanded their accreditations of British dissertation-only docs dramatically since then. In the United States, Kennesaw State University www.kennesaw.edu and the University of Florida's www.ufl.edu Warrington School of Business are now offering short-residency DBA programs. There were two recent DBA threads, one that addressed only AACSB docs and one that was one of my state-by-state lists of all PhDs in Business Administration/Management/etc., DBAs, and DMs with school name, website, hourly tuition, hours in the program, total program tuition, and accreditation(s) WHICH I WAS HOPING WOULD BECOME MY DBA STICKY TO MATCH MY MED STICKY, EDD STICKY, AND MBA STICKY. --- MODS! . I'll go look for those two threads.
     
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  13. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Doesn't Athabasca also offer an online MBA? Wouldn't they accept their own MBA as valid credential for purposes of getting admitted to their DBA program?
     
  14. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Even though it is true that the supposed distinction between the PhD in Business Administration and the DBA was supposed to be that the PhD in Business Administration was supposed to be more theoretical and the DBA was supposed to be more applied, our very own august Senior Member Andy Borchers assures us that those distinctions have been very largely collapsed, that there are some very highly theoretical DBA programs (e.g., Harvard www.harvard.edu, Novawww.nova.edu), and that there are many degreed DBAs in university teaching positions.
     
  15. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    I can't seem to find it now, but I thought you had expressed somewhere that you were against MBAs (as opposed to MS degrees in Management) for the same reason that you wanted a PHD in Management as opposed to a DBA. While the original MBA/MS distinction was (and probably still is) the same as the original DBA/PHD distinction (practical/theoretical), our very own august Senior Member Dr. John Bear (PHD, Communication, Michigan State University, 1966) assures us that, in his research, there are some universities that would consider an MBA valid credential for admission to their PHD in Management.
     
  16. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Someone (or multiple someones) upthread already have saved me: Aston, Henley, and Grenoble. :)
     
  17. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Now you have those two threadlinks (and now I've bumpity-ed both of them for you, too).
     
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  18. jackrussell

    jackrussell Member

    Grenoble isn't a DL right? From what I see from the web site, they have a few teaching locations but doesn't seemed to be a DL.

     
  19. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Your wish is my command :cool::p done-
     
  20. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Don't forget Manchester.

    I'm not sure if Henley qualifies. Henley is AACSB accredited, however, it awards its doctorate through a non-AACSB school.
     

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