ARGOSY DBA CHANGES POLICY, YOU MAY BE ELIGIBLE TO TRANSFER 30 CREDITS FROM YOUR MS/MA

IF YOU ARE APPLYING TO A DOCTORATE PROGRAM, YOU MAY BE ELIGIBLE TO TRANSFER UP TO 30 CREDIT HOURS FROM YOUR MASTERS DEGREE PROGRAM. THIS CAN DRAMATICALLY REDUCE BOTH THE COST AND TIME INVOLVED.

I'M LOOKING AT THE DBA, MY COST WOULD BE 437.OO PER CREDIT = APPROX. $13,110 (30 UNITS); NORTHCENTERAL WOULD COST APPROX $12,000

I'M STARTING ON 1/11/2002 @ ARGOSY IN CALIFORNIA.

THIS NEW POLICY CHANGE HAS A MAJOR IMPACT IN THE OVERALL COST AND TIME.


FYI

WEST

MBA, UNIV OF REDLANDS
MAOM, UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX
BS, UNIVERSITY OF THE STATE OF NY
AS, THOMAS EDISION STATE COLLEGE

 

Is there a place where information about the program can be learned?

From the website, I cannot determine how many credits/courses are required. What they they may be, how many can be transferred in, or how much can be done online. I would rather talk to one of their reps, only if I have to.

Thanks



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Darren Cross
BSB-Management, UoP
MBA-Fontbonne College

 

That is indeed remarkable. I wonder if it will become a trend amongst other universities?



If that is the case, it could substantially shorten the amount of time that it takes to get a doctorate.

 

You may want to look at the website, http://www.argosyu.edu. Also, it is supposedly in the new print version of the catalog (not the on-line one as of a few weeks ago).

This is indeed happening. I just transferred in 18 hours. I am currently in an HRM course, and then will take a residence course in March. If I pass these (and right now I am running terribly behind in the HRM course through no one's fault but my own- and they no longer grant extensions), I could possibly do my comprehensives in May. If all goes well, I should be ABD and start my first dissertation block in June.

I am of mixed mind of this development. As a student, I am thrilled. I essentially cut my courses in half. However, going forward, I am concerned the program will be regarded as less rigorous and how it may affect future possibilities to teach. However, at this stage, I am taking advantage of the situation, if only to finish and to assure my diploma says University of Sarasota.

The courses must be direct replacements of courses you need for your degree. My understanding from one of my cohorts that also transferred in the credits is that the basic research courses (the business research writing for DBA students and the statistical courses and research design courses) are exempt. You must take these. Also, I believe the old requirement of not transferring until completion of at least one course remains, but the requirement the courses are under 7 years old does not.

Another change has been the move from what was called tutorial to what they now call on-line. There is a reguirement to come on-campus for the beginning of the on-line courses UNLESS you live outside of a 100 mile radius. If you live outside that radius you can 'attend' via teleconference. However, this is relatively new, and some of my questions were answered in a way that makes me think there is still some sorting out of details of the program.

What is interesting is that the new program was not widsely announced to current students (at least not in Orange County). I found out about it by word of mouth. This has been typical on a number of issues, and hopefully something that will get better over this year.

 

To answer DCross' question, in the DBA, the course requirement is 45 semester units. This means 15 doctoral level courses. 12 of those are in the research block, which appear to be exempt- meaning you will likely need to take those four courses. Seven of those are in you major (e.g. international biz courses for DBA-IB ). Then 4 courses of electives.

The courses must be at the graduate level, been part of a degree program, and finished before application to the university. The course must be a direct replacement for a course that is part of your program of study and you need a grade of B or better.

The process is to fill out a form that shows the course you are applying the transfer credits to (a separate form for each course), and the course(s) you are using to apply to the transfer. You need to provide a copy of your transcript (unofficial- because they already have your official one on file from the application process) with the course(s) highlighted, and either a copy of the catalog description ot the syllabus. Also, you my want to include some of the work form the course.

For example, I used a course to transfer units for Management Science. I filled out the form, included all the information. However, I also attached parts of the quantitative analysis I used on a queuing problem to determine the number of servers required at rush hour for a coffee shop/bakery to keep wait times at a certain level for customers.

Hope this helps.

For example, I used

 

Greetings! Just a note to say... not only is Capella an excellent program but also has a liberal transfer policy.
Rob Hayes
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Lexington Community College University of Kentucky, South Campus

 

I checked the Capella website. For a 48 quarter hour masters they allow up to 12 credits transfered in (3 courses). On a 120 quarter credit ph.d. they allow up to 48 quarter hours transfered in.
This seems to about what one would expect. At Johnson State college a 36 semester credit masters may transfer in 9 semester credits. The same 1/4 ratio. At the University of Vermont their literature says you can transfer in 30 semester hours on a 90 semster hour ph.d. UVM and Capealla each allow about 1/3 credits transferred in.
The real question is how difficult is it to get the course credits transfered in? Some colleges have great looking policies on the books, that administrators won't apply (every course transfered in, is one course you don't pay for at their college).
Does anyone have any direct experience transfering credits? How much paperwork? How hard?
All the best!

 

Greetings! Dean Austin at Capella reviewed my masters and specialist degree and eagerly let me transfer 10 courses into the doctoral degree.
Rob

 

I also transferred in the maximum number of credits from my MA at Liberty and my MBA from UAB. Capella (alumnus 2000) is very flexible and easy to work with in getting into the program(s). I might add that this is where easy stops.

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Howard Rodgers

 

It sounds like the Capella transfer and the Argosy transfer policy are two different animals. If I am reading correctly, your Master's credits transfer into Argosy in a way that significantly limits your Doctoral course requirements. The transfer of credits into Capella really just removes the Masters level requirements. In other words, if you do not have a Master's degree, you can enroll in the Capella doctoral program, but will essentially first complete the equivalent of a Master's degree then will continue on with another 10 or so "doctoral" classes before starting your dissertation. The "transfer" of credits is really the acceptance of your Master's degree to jump right into your doctoral program.

It sounds like the Argosy thing is different than that.

 

I'm reading this the same way that Paul is.

Most doctoral programs allow a transfer student to bring in typically up to 30 semester units. All that really means is that a transfer student with a masters degree can enter the program without having to earn the equivalent of a second masters along the way.

If that's all Argosy is doing, that's typical practice. But if I'm reading things right, they seem to be allowing students to use the same credits *twice* in their graduate programs. First in meeting their masters requirements, then again in meeting Argosy's post masters requirements.

Don't the regional accreditors take a dim view of that?

 

PaulC - I have to echo your statements. At NSU, the DBA program is 60 credit hours beyond the masters. The masters has to include specific course work - quant methods, marketing, etc. You can transfer in, at most 6 hours of doctoral study from another doctoral program.

It sounds like Argosy has put a "sale" on their DBA program. Who can resist - you get the same piece of paper, with the same letters after your name - all while learning less?

An accreditation question from NCA could be this. Typically, a doctorate requires a minimum of 84 (or 90 in some interpretations) semester hours beyond the bachelor's degree. Does Argosy's new policy allow folks to graduate with < 84 hours beyond the bachelor's? If so, I think there is a major issue.

Regards - Andy

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Andy Borchers, DBA
NSU (1996)

 

Just for fun and comparison, I looked at the TUI site for the number of credits needed for their doc. programs.
the ph.d. in Business Admin. 40 semester credits (each course is 4 credits), which is 10 courses. You can transfer in 6 credits if identical to a TUI course. If your MA/MS/MBA was not in business, you need to take the starter courses, 16 semester hours (4 classes).
The ph.d. in health sci. requires a min. of 36 hours through Touro. 40 semester credits in required courses (10 courses). You can transfer in up to 4 semester credits if identitical to a Touro class.
I don't know how track records compare. Touro clearly spells out is coursework requirements on its website.

 

I just got in touch with Argosy University/Sarasota Campus and the following was discussed in regards to the Transferring of Master’s Level courses into a respective doctoral program.

- Only credits that were taken beyond a Master's level will be transferred into the respective Doctoral Program (Maximum of 12 Credits). Previously used courses that were used to satisfy a Master’s Degree Program would not be considered for transfer at Argosy.

- There are a total of 15 courses to be satisfied for any of the Doctoral Program being offered at Argosy University.

By looking at the curriculum at hand, I think Argosy has a solid program. Those that need to confirm this information, please contact the following toll-free number 1800-331-5995.

Tom

 

TOM,

IN THE GREAT STATE OF CALIFORNIA, ARGOSY ALLOWS FOR 30 UNITS - SEE PAGE 22 OF THEIR ACADEMIC CATALOG UNDER GRADUATE TRANSFER CREDIT CRITERIA.

JUST A FYI


WEST

 

I am looking at the Argosy University’s literature and I have referred to the page in question, there is no indication that Argosy accepts Master's level courses toward a Doctoral Program.

Bottom line, if you are able to transfer your Master’s Level Course into your Doctoral Program in The Great State of California, congrads, but in Florida the rules are different.

Argosy University sounds to be a solid choice to anyone who wants to pursue a Doctoral Program.

Tom

 

Tom,

I can fax it to you, e-mail with a fax #
[email protected]

West

 

I spoke with a representative from Argosy/Sarasota today. I specfically asked about the degree requirements for the D.B.A. She said in no uncertain terms that 60 s.h. are required, post-M.B.A.. That is 45 s.h. of coursework (7 by DL and 8 in 1-week residential sessions in Sarasota), plus 15 s.h. for the dissertation. The coursework is 11 business-related classes and four research/writing classes.

They offer no advanced standing for students entering with an M.B.A., and the total costs is $26K and change. While there is no minimum time-in-program requirement, most students take 3-4 years to complete the D.B.A.

Rich Douglas