I still need one RA math class

It's been a while since I've been here, guys. Anyhow, I'm just 3 credits -- one math class -- away from completing my AA at St. Petersburg College. The problem is, I stink at math and I can't enroll in any of the required classes at SPC without completing several other classes OR doing well on a placement test. The placement test is probably out, because I'd have to do it in person (difficult) and as I said, I stink at math.

I already have Math for Liberal Arts (MGF 1106) which I took back in the 80's, but that won't work for a pre-requisite for any of the classes at SPC.

Therefore, I'm looking for an RA math class so I can transfer it in to SPC (they only accept RA transfer credits). I'd like a class that doesn't require any proctored exams. From my degree progress report:

The following course(s) may be used to satisfy this requirement:

STA 2023, STA 2023H,
MAC ####, MAS ####,
MAP ####, MTG ####,
MGF ####

Anybody have any ideas?

 

If you've been taking classes at SPC, you should have already taken a college placement test. If your score isn't high enough for a liberal arts math, you can retake the math portion of the CPT and study for it by checking out review guides from the bookstore or looking up info on-line.

You could take Rutledge's Liberal Arts Math II (MFG 1107) It's more of a practical application. There's a fair amount of work, but no tests. He developed the course himself and is very organized with the online format. The worse part was submission of the assignments. Had to be submitted a certain way. My non-math kid took his class, got 100's on most assignments, and saved them. I could always help out if you needed some help. There's enough assignments that even if you mess up on some, it won't affect your grade.

One of the nice parts about his class is that you can work at your own pace. He sent my son a copy of the syllabus and class schedule and he was able to start on the assignments before class began. There was a down side though. He ended up doing twice the amount of work because he though he had to do every problem in each section. Rutledge gave him a break on the final paper though.

The only other thing you can do is check different colleges. For instance my son couldn't take college Algebra at one place due to his placement score but it was high enough at another college. He had a tutor to help him through the class. Still....I would take Rutledge's class if at all possible. I wouldn't think you would need too high of a placement score for a liberal arts math class.

 

No, I never took a placement test.

There are pre-requisites.

 

Will SPC accept ALEKS? ALEKS is ACE Evaluated. You could do Intro to Stats or the appropriate Algebra Course. ALEKS is self-paced with no proctored exams.

Shawn

 

How were you accepted at SPC with out a placement test or SAT/ACT scores? That what colleges use to determine placement. Or have you been taking courses at another college and then transfer in the credits for a degree program at SPC? Even if you haven't taken the CPT you still can.

Here's the requirement for liberal arts math from SPC's site:

MGF 1107 MATHEMATICS FOR LIBERAL ARTS II 3 credits

Prerequisite: MAT 1033 or appropriate score on the SPC mathematics placement test. This course presents topics demonstrating the beauty and utility of mathematics to the general student population and to provide knowledge and skills useful for college, life, and career. The course will include topics related to patterns and reasoning, growth and symmetry, linear and exponential growth, and personal finance; mathematical connections with music, art, architecture and nature will be explored. History of mathematics, critical thinking skills, problem solving strategies and appropriate use of technology will be used throughout the course. This course satisfies three credits of the mathematics requirements outlined in the General Education Requirements, but is not a prerequisite to any other mathematics course. (MGF 1106 and MGF 1107 may be taken concurrently.) 47 contact hours.

The other option is that professors can and will sometimes give students permission to bypass the prereq. You don't have anything to lose by emailing Rutledge. He will answer unless he's changed from a year or so ago. He would just have to send a note to the advising dept.

I just looked up MAT 1033 and that's an Intermediate Algebra course. Most colleges will give elective credit for it but not a math credit. (sigh) I don't see where you need Intermediate Algebra for liberal arts math II since most is practical application.

In my son's case he took the CPT at PHCC and tested into Intermediate Algebra. It was a campus class and he ended up withdrawing when most of the students, himself included, were failing the tests. His CPT was high enough for him to take College Algebra at another university, which he did. The Liberal arts math completed the 6 math credits he needed.

I haven't checked them recently, but I know a couple of years ago the CC of Denver offered some online unproctored math courses. Back then their system was confusing though and I initially thought my son was enrolling in their DL college but it ended up being through one of the campuses and the requirements were different.

 

As far as SPC, I wouldn't recommend the Intro to Stats class from them even tho we picked a professor with high ratings. Two "W's" on his transcript and both were math classes! Math, grr....why do most students need to know slopes and quadratic equations, anyway?

 

Charter Oak State College will let you take their online math classes without being in a degree program. They offer several math courses:

www.charteroak.edu

 

I think he's wanting unproctored tests (I don't know if they do that or not), and I'm guessing he would also like tests that are NOT timed speaking from the experience of a math-adverse kid.

Course, there's always the option of getting an AA through one of the big 3 where they might require less math. In our case my ds got got his AA locally, and will graduate in Dec. with his bachelors from TESC. Other than the one math class, all of his classes have been in state (Florida). 13 more credits to go (7 in the summer and 6 next fall) not that I'm counting. ;-)

 

Would one of these help?

http://www.is.lsu.edu/courselist.asp?cat=Mathematics&nid=102&pg=

 

You've got me, I have no idea. I never took the SAT in my life, and never took a placement test at SPC. I did e-mail Rutledge, so we'll see what he says.

 

Correct.

An idea, but too much money. I'm only 3 credits (one crummy class) away at SPC.

 

Just to clear up the misunderstanding - he could do Intro to Stats or the appropriate Algebra course with ALEKS - not with SJC. ALEKS is not proctored.

However, he needs to check in advance to see if SJC will accept the credit from ALEKS.

Shawn

 

If an ACE review course would suffice I would take a Penn Foster course.

 

Sorry, I knew what you meant. I just threw that in as FYI.

Faxinator, did you have a transcript before starting at SPC? Maybe they based it on that? Also, if you were non-degree seeking it might not have been an issue as long as you went taking any math or English-type classes. Don't mean to beat a dead horse, I'm just curious. Let us know what you hear from Rutledge. I really hope you can take his class. My son didn't enjoy it but at least he was able to do it with a min. amount of stress.

 

Not sure if you're going on for a bachelors or not, but my son has taken his upper division courses at SPC and his lower division courses at Florida Community College at Jacksonville recently renamed Florida State College at Jacksonville. They have a lot of courses that start and stop at different times. Although none of his classes have been proctored, I did see where they require proctoring for their math classes.

 

My wife looked into the BS programs at SPC and they really did not have their act together. It was a joke to get an answer to anything. I did take classes there years ago and they were really good but I think they have some growing pains offering a bachelors program. By the way, did not know FCCJ changed their name. My wife got her AA there.

 

What about straighterline.com ?

 

I haven't seen much in the way of BS/BA at SPC either. My son is getting his BA in Liberal Studies from TESC. Outside of their dual enrollment program (which is separate as far as advisors), SPC has been a pain. A common response is "it's the student's responsibility" dealing with financial aid or transient student forms.

FCCJ aks FSCJ has been way more helpful. They have even let him enroll in classes based on an unofficial transcript until his official one arrived. As far as the name change, I think it just became official this month. Like SPC they are in the process of becoming a 4 year university.

 

I had my HCC transcript from 1980. I am degree-seeking and always have been. I'll let you know what I hear from Rutledge.

 

First of all, I think we're confusing the issue with questions about placement tests. LOTS of RA colleges will accept students without placement exams. I got into the University of Wisconsin without a placement exam, because I entered as an "adult" student. The requirements for placement exams for undergrad programs are often waived.

CALCampus.com has a number of math courses available, and they are RA.

College
MTH303 Basic College Mathematics $495
MTH304 Intermediate Algebra $495
MTH305 College Algebra $495
MTH306 Finite Mathematics $495
MTH307 College Geometry $495
MTH310 College Trigonometry $495
MTH311 Business Mathematics $495
MTH314 College Pre-Calculus (4 credits) $620
MTH315 Beginning Calculus I $495
MTH316 Beginning Calculus II $495
MTH318 Business Calculus $495
MTH320 College Calculus I (3 credits) $495
MTH321 College Calculus II (3 credits) $495
MTH325 College Calculus I for Science and Math Majors (4 credits) $620
MTH326 College Calculus II for Science and Math Majors (4 credits) $620
MTH327 College Calculus III for Science and Math Majors (4 credits) $620
MTH328 Linear Algebra (4 credits) $620
MTH330 College Statistics $495

I couldn't tell you if there are tests or not.