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    Easiest PhD program to get into

    Out of curiosity, what is the easiest RA D/L doctoral program to gain acceptance into? For example, no language requirement, no GRE, no letters of reference, no essay, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanadoo View Post
    Out of curiosity, what is the easiest RA D/L doctoral program to gain acceptance into? For example, no language requirement, no GRE, no letters of reference, no essay, etc.
    What do you mean "No language requirement?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEKMAN View Post
    What do you mean "No language requirement?"
    Some Ph.D. programs require you demonstrate proficiency in a language other than your native tongue.
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    I am not aware of any legitimate doctoral program (DL or not) that would not require one or more of the items listed (although foreign language proficiency is becoming a less common requirement).
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanadoo View Post
    Out of curiosity, what is the easiest RA D/L doctoral program to gain acceptance into? For example, no language requirement, no GRE, no letters of reference, no essay, etc.
    I don't if it is still the case, but I got acceptance within a day for a PhD program at Touro International University with only an online application and 100 dollars. No GPA, language, transcript, (TOEFL), research proposal, letters of reference but a credit card.
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    Getting in is not the challenge. It is the ability to persist through the program that is the challenge. I remember being astonished by how many doc students I started my program with. To date many of them still don't have a doctorate.

    Aslo, you didn't say what field you want to get a doctorate in. Education , Business, Information Systems ?????

    My inclination would be to look at the for profit institutions. They are usually happy to take people's money. I have colleagues with degrees from Walden and Capella . They are very pleased with their degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonenomad View Post
    Getting in is not the challenge. It is the ability to persist through the program that is the challenge. I remember being astonished by how many doc students I started my program with. To date many of them still don't have a doctorate.

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    The reason why is so difficult to gain acceptance into traditional PhD programs is mainly because it is normally expected that the University would provide with financial support so the University wants the best it can get for its money. When applying to online for profit schools, the more students the school gets the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    The reason why is so difficult to gain acceptance into traditional PhD programs is mainly because it is normally expected that the University would provide with financial support so the University wants the best it can get for its money. When applying to online for profit schools, the more students the school gets the better.
    What if one were to apply to a traditional program and tell them that you would be ok without financial assistance? Would that increase your chance of being accepted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bazonkers View Post
    What if one were to apply to a traditional program and tell them that you would be ok without financial assistance? Would that increase your chance of being accepted?
    When I was shopping for doc programs I applied to two programs. Both accepted me; however, only one offered money. On most applications I have seen you have an option of selecting whether you are looking for an assistantship/fellowship. My opinion is that you should always select yes to this question. You can always turn the money down depending upon what strings are attached; however, if you select no then they may never offer you money. At the institutions that I have been associated with the folks who make the decision about acceptance are not always the same folks that make the decision about funding. So, to answer your question I am not sure if that would make a big difference with regard to acceptance.

    Why not apply and see if they accept you?
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    Can anyone share his experience about getting into UK thesis-only PHD programs or AUS PHDs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonenomad View Post
    When I was shopping for doc programs I applied to two programs. Both accepted me; however, only one offered money. On most applications I have seen you have an option of selecting whether you are looking for an assistantship/fellowship. My opinion is that you should always select yes to this question. You can always turn the money down depending upon what strings are attached; however, if you select no then they may never offer you money. At the institutions that I have been associated with the folks who make the decision about acceptance are not always the same folks that make the decision about funding. So, to answer your question I am not sure if that would make a big difference with regard to acceptance.

    Why not apply and see if they accept you?
    Please tell me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that most students in full time B&M doctoral programs are "given money" in return for their labors as teaching assistants, research assistants, etc. The money is not actually "given" it is earned. This allows people to barely survive without any other income. There may be cases where people are actually given some sort of scholarship that doesn't have strings attached but for the most part, if you are given money by the university then you'll be expected to do something in return (teach undergrad classes, grade papers, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Please tell me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that most students in full time B&M doctoral programs are "given money" in return for their labors as teaching assistants, research assistants, etc. The money is not actually "given" it is earned. This allows people to barely survive without any other income. There may be cases where people are actually given some sort of scholarship that doesn't have strings attached but for the most part, if you are given money by the university then you'll be expected to do something in return (teach undergrad classes, grade papers, etc.)
    In my doc program only about half of the students had some sort of funding. There were a few part time students that were working their way through the program. However, a surprising number of full-time students also had full time jobs. Several were high school teachers by day and doc students by night/weekend/summer. There were also a few community college professors doing the same thing. I currently teach at a community college and can say that there I have several colleagues that are currently doing just this.

    I suspect that the ratio of funded to un-funded doc students varies by institution and field. In my field of education I can see how one would argue that there are more un-funded doc students than in other fields.

    Most of my financial assistance came in the form of assistantships where I did have to "earn" my money. I taught classes, graded papers, stared through microscopes, carried heavy equipment into the mountains, skied across glaciers, and more. However, I had a fellowship from the NSF during my doctorate that paid very well. This fellowship meant I didn't have to teach any classes. The strings attached to this money stipulated that my research have a conncetion between science and education . I was getting a doctorate in science education so this was not an issue. The fellowship was really usefull while I was writing my dissertation as I was able to focus solely upon my writing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bazonkers View Post
    What if one were to apply to a traditional program and tell them that you would be ok without financial assistance? Would that increase your chance of being accepted?
    PhD students are normally used as research assistants in a University. Professors need to publish in order to get promotions and maintain their tenure track positions. A tenured professor wouldn't take a weak student even if the student does not want financial assistance, the reason for this is that a professor wouldn't be interested in investing time with a student with little chances of generating good publications.

    Online for profit schools pay professors to supervise students so a professor would be willing to take as many as he or she can supervise as this generates revenue for him or her. Online schools normally do not require online adjuncts to generate a number of publications so there is no pressure for them to get top students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    PhD students are normally used as research assistants in a University. Professors need to publish in order to get promotions and maintain their tenure track positions. A tenured professor wouldn't take a weak student even if the student does not want financial assistance, the reason for this is that a professor wouldn't be interested in investing time with a student with little chances of generating good publications.

    Online for profit schools pay professors to supervise students so a professor would be willing to take as many as he or she can supervise as this generates revenue for him or her. Online schools normally do not require online adjuncts to generate a number of publications so there is no pressure for them to get top students.
    I think RFValve is on the right track. However, I do think it differs by discipline. My doctorate (Science Education ) spanned two departments (Geology and Education ). In the education department it was rare to see students on research assistantships. Some students did have assistantships; however, they were teaching assistantships. Often the education doc students were hired to supervise undergraduate student teachers . In the science department it was common for students to have research assistantships. I held two at various times. Usually the research assistantship entailed collecting/processing data for the supervising professor. This data is then used by the student for a MS thesis and the professor for a publication. Usually the student's name is on the publication as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonenomad View Post
    I think RFValve is on the right track. However, I do think it differs by discipline. My doctorate (Science Education) spanned two departments (Geology and Education). In the education department it was rare to see students on research assistantships. Some students did have assistantships; however, they were teaching assistantships. Often the education doc students were hired to supervise undergraduate student teachers. In the science department it was common for students to have research assistantships. I held two at various times. Usually the research assistantship entailed collecting/processing data for the supervising professor. This data is then used by the student for a MS thesis and the professor for a publication. Usually the student's name is on the publication as well.
    It depends a lot on the discipline. I have heard of unpaid post doc positions in Biology or sciences as well. The course work oriented doctorates like DBAs or EDs tend to have more students than pure research PhD programs as they generate a stream of revenue to the school due to the course fees.

    The business model of the for profits with online adjuncts paid to supervise students make more sense as revenue generators. You can still get a quality dissertation if the school has good quality controls.

    Another problem with traditional B&M doctorates is that many faculties require PhD students to teach at least one course during their studies. This will also limit the amount of students intake. In addition, faculties tend to graduate only the number of PhDs that will be able to find jobs in their area in order to keep the prestige of the school. For profits on the other hand, hardly have teaching requirements and most of the students are already employed so placing wouldn't be an issue.

    I think that if a student wants to finish faster the for profit route also would be better. I went to a public school and my professors took their sweet time to read the dissertation. My supervisor almost took a year to read it and my examiners almost 4 months. For profit force online advisers to provide feedback within weeks so this speeds up the process. Things are also a lot more structured in for profits so this makes things faster. On the other hand, the mass production of PhD graduates of the for profits might also lower the quality of the end product. The lack of publication requirements is also a concern in the for profits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woho View Post
    Can anyone share his experience about getting into UK thesis-only PHD programs or AUS PHDs?
    When I applied to the PhD at Charles Sturt, they required a dissertation proposal and a CV. The program can be finished entirely by external study. I decided to go for a DBA at USQ instead of a PhD at CSU for few reasons:

    -Tuition fees for a PhD were 8K AUD per year regardless of your part-time or full time status. At a expected 6 years of study, you are looking at 48K AUD. Instead, the DBA at USQ had a flat rate of 25K AUD regardless of the time it takes to complete the program

    -There are no milestones in the PhD program, basically it is all or nothing. I consider this approach very risky as if you have a bad supervisor, you might run into problems if he or she decides that your work has fundamental issues too late in the game. The DBA grants you credits by each delivery so you know exactly where you are and what you have achieved.

    I don't recommend the research PhD if you are going to do external study unless you are very disciplined and have a good research supervisor. These programs are not really designed for working professionals but for academics that already work in a University and need the PhD for promotion. Most of them require regular visits and publication requirements. A good publication might take one year to produce and publish, this might be too hard to achieve for working professionals.
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