CCU Faculty

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Abner, Jan 12, 2009.

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  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

  2. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    One of their Criminal Justice professors has only a Bachelor's degree......:confused:
     
  3. Tylin

    Tylin New Member

    So that's why they are so tough on my papers. :D
     
  4. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    It seems logical that they are trying to set the groundwork to apply for RA status.
     
  5. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    I had thought of that myself.

    Abner
     
  6. kozen

    kozen Member

    Why don't someone just send an email to ask instead of us guessing it. It will be wondering if they really are setting the ground for RA.
     
  7. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member


    It doesn't really matter to me one way or the other, a good school is a good school. The problem with asking about the pursuit of accreditation is that many times the accreditors instruct the schools not to say anything until a certain point. So the school can have their hands tied on what they can say at a certain point in time.

    My main point was that their faculty is pretty solid. Harvard, Cornell, Brandeis, USC and other impressive schools in the faculty line up.

    Abner
     
  8. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    CCU like other schools use the "rented faculty" strategy to look good in a catalog. The strategy is simple, put an ad in the chronicle and hire anyone that applies with impressive degrees. The appointments are "cheap" as rented faculty only get paid if they get to teach a course but the school gets to use their name in their catalog. Kennedy Western used the same strategy, I remember reading few articles that talked about people listed there but not actually teaching. They were "hired" just by sending a resume. In few words, there is nothing impressive about having these "star" faculty in their catalog.
     
  9. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Whatever.

    Abner
     
  10. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I also felt for this in the past. In the 90s, I received many catalogs from schools like Barringtong University and Washington International University and I was really impressed to see faculty with credentials from Harvard and Stanford. I later realized that the trick was simple, hire anyone that applies with impressive credentials as adjunct faculty. Appointments are meaningless as they are as adjuncts with no base salary.
     
  11. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Ok RFValve. Do you have any facts to back up your theories? Even if it is true (which I am not saying), many other private RA Unis do the same, so there is nothing nefarious here. You constantly keep comparing CCU to known mills. Why? You know why. If I recall correctly, you made some claims about another DETC school in the past, and when I called you out, you were unable to produce an email you supposedly received from said school. Hmm. It's fine if you don't like NA schools, but don't compare them to mills. If the email thing wasn't you, it was one of your buddies whose name escapes me at the moment. Oh, well, it doesn't matter. Your speculation is interesting, but as an actual student at CCU after their accreditation, I can firmly say the teachers listed in my catalog at the time did teach me. Can you offer firsthand advice? No.

    Abner
     
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  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member


    Sorry if my post sounded like if I was comparing CCU to mills. My intention was to point out that having faculty with impressive degrees in a catalog is not a sign of quality as mills have done this in the past.
     
  13. Spyder_70

    Spyder_70 New Member

    RFValve, it's great to sling mud, but like Abner pointed out do you have any solid facts other than your nerve endings to back up your claim against CCU's faculty? I consider it a strategic move for the school to hire faculty members from top-rate schools. Why do they do it? Plenty of reasons! Here's a good one: to further improve and develop the curriculum of their degree programs. I'm sure CCU's motivation isn't just "cosmetic" to make the school look "better" from a faculty perspective. For all we know, CCU may have bigger and better plans down the road (i.e. NA to RA) and we all know on this board that a move to the degree mill direction provides absolutely NO future or benefit to any school out there and just doesn't make any reasonable sense.
     
  14. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    It's an old mill trick. I doubt that Cal Coast is being that brazen. They probably do assign their adjuncts to teach classes and don't just list them in marketing materials. But your point is a good one. An impressive faculty list doesn't necessarily equate to a great university, if those people have little association with the university that's using their names.

    If Cal Coast really wants to become more academically impressive, then they should think about collecting a strong core faculty composed of productive scholars who use Cal Coast as their primary institutional affiliation.
     
  15. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    If you notice, most online schools including Walden, Touro, Devry and even mills have Harvard graduates in their roster. These people are not really "hired" but put in an adjunct list so there are not really involved in the design of programs or research.

    There is nothing wrong with this approach as it is a common practice among schools (accredited or not), I'm just saying that you should not think that the quality of a program is high only because some adjuncts from top schools moonlight work there for few extra bucks.
     
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  16. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I just looked at one of the more impressive names, Allan S. Nanes, PhD Harvard.

    The gentleman appears to have spent most of his career in the Congressional Research Service and is the author/coauthor of several books on terrorism. It seems that he took an interest in that subject long before it became fashionable.

    His bachelors degree is from Brown University, class of 1941, so he must be getting up in years. And that's probably the secret of his teaching for Cal Coast. He's a retired guy but apparently still has an active mind. He probably appreciates an opportunity to keep his hand in from home with a light teaching/advising load.

    I think that it's very cool that distance learning programs can tap the experience of WWII generation guys like this. It creates opportunities both for them and for their students. But I do wonder how actively involved he really is with Cal Coast.
     
  17. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member


    The President of CCU has been making a lot of internal, progressive changes. His goal is to actively involve the new staff and professors in their teachings with CCU students. Top notch access to good teachers and staff will be paramount. They also have their eye on a new larger building, but the real estate market tanked. That will sit on tap for a while. So in simple terms, CCU is growing and expanding with an eye to the future. Tom Neal has a lot of good connections, and is very well liked in academic circles, especially the legal arenas. If anyone can recruit sharp talent, it is him. These staff members are actively involved.


    I love to see schools evolve ever year.

    Abner :)
     
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