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    Quote Originally Posted by msganti View Post
    Just an update on my PF High school adventure.

    Couldn't finish it faster due to work loads and issues at home, but kept going slow, Now I am down to 2 tests to complete my high school. Want to finish them this month.
    Good for you Ms. Ganti. That is the beauty of self-paced study. You're not time pressured and with perseverance and persistence you can accomplish what you set out to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msganti View Post
    Just an update on my PF High school adventure.

    Couldn't finish it faster due to work loads and issues at home, but kept going slow, Now I am down to 2 tests to complete my high school. Want to finish them this month.
    good job! Get er done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    Might not acquired credits apply at P-F?
    Why would you be taking credits from an MBA program and attempting to apply them to a Bachelor program?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    Why would you be taking credits from an MBA program and attempting to apply them to a Bachelor program?
    To make use of otherwise useless credits.

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    Thanks for opening up this post again, I find Penn Foster to be an interesting situation.

    Quick info I found on PFC

    Traces their roots back to the 1890s

    • 2 Bachelors Degrees – Management & CJ

    • A bunch of Associate Degrees, resemble your typical community college

    • Tons of Career focused Diplomas/Certificates

    It looks like the advantages of PFC (Bachelor’s in Management) are:

    • Self paced courses
    • Roughly $250 ish per course


    The disadvantages of PFC are:

    • Nationally Accredited, not RA
    • In certain job markets an NA their degree might not meet requirements
    • The school is on the “Generic” side
    • Lower End Marketing Campaigns (not too many in my experience)

    On the surface, PFC looks like a decent option for someone who is struggling to make academic progress. A NA Degree has to be better than no degree at all in most situations.

    Does PFC have a bunch of skeletons in their closet? Have their been a bunch of student complaints or any lawsuits against?

    Why wouldn’t PFC attempt to gain RA? Or maybe they have unsuccessfully?

    I believe some of their courses are eligible for ACE credit also.

    All this being said, i'm surprised PFC isn't more popular than i'm assuming.
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    (1) Does PFC have a bunch of skeletons in their closet? Have their been a bunch of student complaints or any lawsuits against?
    Never heard of such. PFC has been mentioned often in these pages. Well-known to most of us.

    (2) Why wouldn’t PFC attempt to gain RA? Or maybe they have unsuccessfully?
    No. No unsuccessful attempts. They have done well with NA. RA would be more expensive to attain, MUCH more costly to maintain. Ergo, they would have to price things differently - and maybe find themselves in a crowded market segment. As you say, they've been at this for over 100 years. They know what they're doing.

    (3) I believe some of their courses are eligible for ACE credit also.
    True - last I looked, most of them. That's why single PFC courses are often popular with the do-it-yourself degree-earners, who need credit to finish a degree elsewhere. If ACE gives credit, that's the key to getting credit at many schools - around 2,000 of them, I'm told.

    All this being said, i'm surprised PFC isn't more popular than i'm assuming.
    It is probably MUCH more popular than you assume.

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    WHOOPS! A consumer complaint I found:

    Penn Foster College must pay more than $73,000 after PCC refused Portland man's credits | OregonLive.com

    The school has about 150,000 students, says the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post

    The school has about 150,000 students, says the article.

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    They graduated approximately 48,000 high school students last year so looks like there is about 100k of career course students and college students combined. Can't seem to find specifics on each amount of those.
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    Agree with PFC's popularity. Here & at DegreeForum you can read several members celebrating them as a strong resource for the Big3 and other schools. Unfortunately, PFC has had multiple increases on their course fees and even though it's still a strong deal, it not as strong a cost value as it once was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bceagles View Post

    The disadvantages of Why wouldn’t PFC attempt to gain RA? Or maybe they have unsuccessfully?
    Their courses are pretty solidly in the "correspondence" category. You can register at 1 am on Christmas Day and start courses immediately through their online portal. Entirely self-paced and you can go the entire program with little to no interaction with an instructor.

    Years ago, that was pretty much enough to kill a school's RA dreams. But competency based learning has muddied the previously established terms and definitions quite a bit. So could they pursue RA? Possibly. But their value proposition has always been NA degrees for people who otherwise wouldn't have any degree, relatively low prices and, of the last 20 years or so I'd say, ACE credit recommendations for some of their programs to increase their utility.

    I believe some of their courses are eligible for ACE credit also.
    Yes, but it is limited. I was a bit bummed out to see that they really let most of their engineering program recommendations go. But if you look at their accounting courses it aligns pretty closely with the TESU B.S. in Accounting .

    All this being said, i'm surprised PFC isn't more popular than i'm assuming.
    I mean, we talk about it here pretty frequently so it certainly isn't unheard of. I, personally, have done a few certificate programs through them. Wehn last I took a course they told me that if I took something like five career diploma programs I would have "free" access to all of their other diplomas. Nice little perk if you're in it for personal interest over career development.

    I'm not terribly surprised it isn't more popular. For starters, PF is one of the better names it has had over the years. Saying you have an associates degree from "Penn Foster College" sounds a hell of a lot better than their last name, Thomson Education Direct.

    It's also not as competitive as it once was. Again, competency based learning programs threw the cheap tuition model for a loop particularly the cheap tuition self-paced schools. Why screw around with PF if you can get an RA degree from WGU ?

    Aside from ACE, they do have a handful of articulation agreements to RA schools. Most are for-profit.

    It is definitely a school I would suggest because some of its programs will help some people in some circumstances. It's very similar in terms of course delivery to Ashworth . My personal preference of the two is with PF based on my personal experience.

    But utility issues will likely always be looming whenever you choose NA over RA.
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