Nova Southeastern University

How much discrimination towards Nova Southeastern University?

 

None to speak of. Very highly regarded in distance ed circles, and at least recognized as legitimate in traditional circles.

 

Perhaps NSU's biggest problem is their size. Lots of folks haven't heard of the smaller DL programs we've talked about here, and many of these aren't listed on ranking lists like US News. At 17,000 students in a mix of traditional and distance programs, NSU is better known (and hence more likely to be noted) as a DL institution. Also, they've been around for quite a while (since 1967).

I know of some institutions that won't hire NSU grads for tenure track positions - but then they wouldn't hire a DL grad from any of the other major programs either. Other schools don't feel this way, however.

Regards - Andy
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Andy Borchers, DBA
NSU (1996)

 

Well, that depends on the circles. I've heard some disdainful remarks about Nova among public university administrators & faculty.



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Kristin Evenson Hirst
DistanceLearn.About.com

 

The same group of people will likely say the same thing about all DL schools if not all DL degrees.

 

I agree. But that notwithstanding, here, in Nova’s own backyard, where the overwhelming majority of the people aren’t even aware of their distance education programs and simply consider them another brick and mortar institution, their reputation still leaves a lot to be desired. And that is in spite of a home field advantage.


Gus Sainz

 

Around the Univ of Ala at Bham they are referred to as accredited but not creditable. I once had a former student ask me to complete a recommendation for him to NSU --- I was somewhat shocked, he had made a D in my accounting class. Naturally, I refused to complete the recommendation. He made it in - he had an overal C- average. He lasted two quarters - they must really want the $$$$$$$'s. Howard.

 

So what is that reputation? What is being said? I have not encountered problems with my NSU degree in the workplace nor at public and private institutions where I have taught.

If NSU has local problems why is it growing?
Why does it now have one of the largest libraries in Florida in a joint venture between NSU and the Broward County Board of County Commissioners (i.e. 325,000 sq. ft facility with 1.4 million volumes, electronic classrooms, and a 500 seat performaning arts center)? Why does it continue to receive large multi-million dollar gifts? Why was the doctor who replaced the woman doctor at the south pole with cancer a Nova D.O. graduate? NSU law grads had prosecutors in cases that received national attention -- Florida vs. Lional Tate, and Florida vs Nathaniel Brazill were NSU grads.

Personally, NSU has been a pioneer of DL graduate education. It promoted graduate DL education at a time when it was not popular. Even at a time when Nova was in financial trouble is persevered. The NSU model has proven itself through time, its accreditors (SACS, APA, ABA, and many others) and 65,000 alumni. Graduates have nothing to defend as it is a degree that is well earned.

Apparently the popularity struugle that NSU has encountered still persists by traditionalists and also many in the DL community. How come?


John

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John R. Wetsch, Ph.D.

B.S. '01 University of North Dakota
B.S. '84 Excelsior College (USNY/Regents)
M.A. '89 Antioch University, The McGregor School
Ph.D. '94 Nova Southeastern University

 

And...

These kind of comments are repeated over and over, at least here on this discussion group.

I'd like to suggest that next time anyone on this group hears anything like this, stop right there and ask the person speaking to explain the reasons for their opinion. Ask for specific details. If they can't give any, ask how they heard that Nova was lame. Then report back to us with any dirt you discover.

Is anything really the matter with Nova? Or is this just a bit of self-reproducing snobbery, kind of an academic urban legend?

And whatever it is, how far does it extend? Is it restricted to professors' faculty clubs, or does it extend to professionals outside academia as well?

I notice that Nova's graduate programs are very pre-professional in orientation: Stuff like law, osteopathic medicine, Psy.D.s, Ed.D.s, occupational therapy, dentistry, optometry, pharmacy and business. The only arts and science-type programs I see are the oceanography and CS Ph.D.s.

So aren't most Nova graduates found in courtrooms, dental offices, hospitals and school administrators' offices? Judging by enrollments at least, Nova would seem to be popular in those fields.

 

washince,

As stated many times before in this forum, the concise answer regarding Nova is as follows;

If you have an undergraduate degree from a respectable school (US News Tier 1 or Tier 2) and are currently employed in a profession in which you think you need additional credentialing, then Nova is the perfect solution! (Especially if your company has tuition reimbursement)

If you want a Nova degree in the hopes that it gets you a job in a field in which university degrees are considered particularly important (i.e. Full-Time Faculty in a Tier 1 or Tier 2 school or Fellow status in a research group at any High-Tech or Bio-Tech company) forget it! Suck it up and get into the best school you can and forget about Nova!

Owl, Ph.D. (Nova, 2001)

 

owl:
To me, this is a case of a "faceless" poster who is falsely claiming a Ph.D. from Nova Southeastern University (NSU). Please take off your mask and use your real name, otherwise, I will consider both your identity and your claim of a degree from NSU phony. If you have finished your PhD as you stated, you should wear your real face (by using your real name) because you have nothing to fear.

 

I don't even have a masters degree (yet) and I doubt I'll ever pursue a doctorate... but... if I did pursue a doctorate, it would probably be through NSU.

 

Bill,

I echo your comments wholeheartedly!

To the admins, sorry for repeating Bill's message with a short note. However, it is worth repeating.

John

 

Owl,

You will have to take this up with the many NSU grads who are fulltime professors, deans, provosts, and presidents at many RA academic institutions.

John

 

Unfortunately drwetsch I hate to disparage my fellow NSU alumni but you must be truthful in your representation about NSU to the readers of this forum. NSU plays a valuable and important role in our society. However, don’t mislead readers into thinking that NSU is more than it really is. Semantic discussions about ranking and reputation aside, every instance of a full-time faculty member who eagerly proclaims their NSU degree as a badge of academic excellence frankly populate bottom-feeding community colleges and non-traditional unaccredited adult distance learning centers. This as you know drwetsh, as hard as it is to admit, is true. However, with that said, there are a small number of full-time faculty with NSU degrees teaching at widely accepted good schools. However, the NSU degree is simply used in a credentialing capacity. If the readers of this forum would like concrete examples I am happy to provide them.

Getting back to the original question by washince. Here is your short truthful answer on NSU reputation.

NSU is considered a legitimate National Doctoral Granting University. Almost everyone you talk to in the academic community considers them a Tier 4 university. Depending on your perspective this can be good or bad. Remember, other schools such as University of South Dakota, University of Montana, North Dakota State University, University of Colorado – Denver are all in the same category. Their reputations are equivalent. Contrary to what you might hear from people inside these institutions, anyone objectively evaluating degrees from these Tier 4 institutions all consider them just about equal. Remember, don’t be mislead into thinking that other non-traditional schools such as Walden, City U, U of Phoenix, National U etc… are in the same category, they are not!

 

Owl:

If you list information from U.S. News, it's generally considered proper form to cite the source, rather than to imply that this is information that one could obtain from "anyone." By failing to do so, you have ruined your credibility.

Perhaps you should start again, with a new pseudonym?

 

Below you will find a listing of some of NSU’s graduates in conjunction with their career accomplishments.

I think the list of graduates speaks for itself. In addition, I am a proud NSU Graduate (MPA ‘97) in which I have been very successful in my career endeavors. Also, I am Adjunct Professor for various colleges/universities in south fl. (FIU, UofM, Barry, and FAU) and my credentials have never been challenged. In doing so, I am looking forward in pursuing my Doctor of Public Administration at NSU and I am fully confident that I will not have an issue with the said degree.

It is not where you graduated from, but most importantly what knowledge you have to offer that the colleges/universities/employers are interested in. I know that there about 100+ employees that work for me that are graduates from traditional universities (Michigan State Uni, U of M, Uof F and etc.) and I run circles over them when it comes to my respective field.


G. Jermiah Rvan Raritan Valley Comm. College President Ed.D.1983

Sharon Mader Uni of New Orleans Dean Ed.D.1999

John Roche Long Island Uni Dean Ed.D. 1998

Charles Heck Camden College Dean Ed.D. 1992

Frank Gaskill Uni. of Kansas Associate Prof. DBA 1993

Donald F. Kuratko Ball State Universiy Stoops Distinguish Prof. Bus. DBA 1984

Branda Michell Sec. Of Commweath of Weath DPA 1981

Harry V. Hoechten Stephen F. Austin State University Visiting Assistant Professor DPA 01-Jun-78

Herbert L. Green Jr. Strayer University, Alexanderia Campus Professor, International Management & Economics DPA 01-Jun-97

Eleanor L. Levine U of M, FIU and Union Institute Adjunct Professor DPA 01-Jun-78

Larry Mckee Southwestern Oklahoma State University Assistant Professor of Management DPA 01-Jun-82

Bonnie Beeby Ronson Hillsborough Community CollegeProfessor DPA 01-Jun-89

Joseph A.Rooney Lynn University Professor DPA 01-Jun-88

Herman A. Vera Catholic University of Puerto Rico Director, Master of Social Science Programs DPA 01-Jun-94

Thomas J.Ward St. John's University Director of the Crimminal Justice Program College DPA 01-Jun-80

Bill Williamson Joint Military Intelligence College Chairman, Intellegence College DPA 01-Jun-80

Ernest J.Zaccanelli City Of Laurel Md City Administrator DPA 01-Jun-83

William Brent Howard University School Of Business Assistant Professor of Finance DBA 01-Jun-93

Linda E. Brown St Ambrose UniversityProfessor DBA 01-Jun-95

Edward Downing Averett College Adjunct Professor DBA 01-Jun-95

Charles W. Ehart Comptroller of Maryland Director, Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division DBA 01-Jun-92

Massoud Farahbakhsh Salem State CollegeProfessor & Executive Director DBA 01-Jun-84

John R. Frith Central Texas College Chairman, Business Admin & Paralegal Dept.DBA 01-Jun-98

Hope A. Gardina St. Ambrose UniversityDean DBA 01-Jun-96

Wesley J. Green University of Indianapolis Associate Professor DBA 01-Jun-94

Lewis W. Lash Barry UniversityAssociate Professor of ManagementDBA 01-Jun-81

Larry L. Lilley Liberty UniversityProfessor of Business- Chairman Management DBA 01-Jun-91

James W. Mirabella Florida Community College at JacksonvilleDirector of Institutional Research DBA 01-Jun-99

Judy Ramage Christian Brothers UniversityAssociate Professors DBA 01-Jun-95

Franklin D. Richey Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University Department Chair, Applied Aviation Sciences Depart
DBA 01-Jun-93

Robert E.Scully Barry UniveristyAssoc. Professor DBA 01-Jun-88

Ronald L. Snyder American Intercontinental University Dean of Business School DBA 01-Jun-82

Romuald Stone Keller Graduate School of Management Faculty and Program Manager MHRM DBA 01-Jun-90

Dewayne Thompson Lee UniversityDean, College of Arts and Sciences DBA 01-Jun-97

Charles N.ToftoyThe George Washington Universtiy Associate Professor of Mgmt. Science DBA 01-Jun-85

Shafi Ullah Broward Community College Professor DBA 01-Jun-88

Gerald Williams Southern University of New Orleans Comptroller DBA 01-Jun-99

Anthony J. Zordan Univeristy of FrancisAssociate Professor DBA 01-Jun-98

Anthony J. Avallone Pt. Iowa Nazarene University Professor DIBA 01-Jun-95

Michael Abdels City Of Deland City Of Manager DPA 01-Jun-85

Frank Arnold St. Leo UniversityAssociate Professor DPA 01-Aug-82

Danny L. Athanasaw Office of Inspector General, Dept of TreasuryDirector of Financial Audits DPA 01-Jun-97

Hilton Barrett Cumberland University Chair, Divisional of Business & Economics DPA 01-Jun-82

Thomas R. BlackshearTenn.Wesleyan College Associate Professor DPA 01-Jun-78

Richard Brubaker Embry Riddle Aeronautical University Assistant ProfessorDPA 01-Jun-87


Steven L. Castiglioni University Of Phoenix Chairperson/Graduate Business Mgmt DPA 01-Jun-83

Marvelle S. Colby MaryMount Manhattan College Professor Management DPA 01-Jun-72


Miller Graf Bradford CollegeProfessor Of Management DPA 01-Jun-80

 

Need I remind you PSalmon this is a discussion group not a peer reviewed journal article or dissertation. If you are planning on using the discussion threads as sources for your research I suggest you consult more appropriate sources.

Owl, Ph.D. (NSU 2001)

 

Owl,

No one has claimed that NSU is a Harvard or Yale. The problem here is that the assertions you have made are unsupported. If you are a Ph.D. then you should know better.

John

 

Owl,

You will learn that in this forum you still need to back up your claims. Consequently, by the posts given your claims are in dispute and unsupported. If you did some research you will find that there are faculty from US News Tier 4 schools that are on faculty at US News Tier 1 schools. The other facts posted speak for themselves

A quick one: There is an NSU Psy.D. on the faculty of the New York University School of Medicine. http://www.med.nyu.edu/Psych/intern/administrationfaculty.html

John