Jones International DBA

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by RFValve, May 28, 2007.

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  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It seems that the DBA is becoming popular, Jones International just opened its 100% online DBA. NorthCentral is going to have competition. Jones International is also a for profit online school but has been in business for long time. They offer also some decent programs in education and communications. Not Harvard but another option for those looking to better themselves with a higher degree.

    http://jonesinternational.edu/schools/business/dba/
     
  2. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    I was looking at it about a week ago, but I was not sure if it was posted, so I did not reported, but kudos for doing so. It has the option for financial aid students loans that is!:eek:
     
  3. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    On the longshot possibility that I may continue after the MBA I had narrowed it down to either Argosy or Nova Southeastern U for the DBA. This one deserves some looking into however.

    Thanks for sharing.
     
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Jones is also offering the EdD in K-12 leadership.

    Tuition is an eye-popping $670 per credit, plus $65 per 3-credit course (technology fee.) With the other associated fees, that makes the DBA cost over $50K. Plus books, perhaps--I couldn't tell.

    That's $20K more than Northcentral, which includes books. Both programs result in the same thing: a doctorate from an accredited school no one's ever heard of. But NCU awards the Ph.D. which, all other things being equal, is a more widely recognizable credential.

    Congratulations to JIU, of course. But I don't see any advantage over many other established short- and non-residential options. (For that money, in fact, one could earn a DBA from Glasgow or EBS or Grenoble. One could also earn the Doctorate of Social Science from Leicester for half that!)
     
  5. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    It's RA too! :eek:
     
  6. Vincey37

    Vincey37 New Member

    What I find most interesting is they limit admissions to holders of RA graduate degrees, while at the undergrad level they will transfer NA credits.
     
  7. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Have you ruled out NCU as an option? Why?
     
  8. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    At this level I would like to have some physical classroom or residency requirements. I believe it would enhance the educational experience for me. I truly enjoyed my NCU experience. It has nothing to do with NCU or the program.

    My first choice is Nova Southeastern U. NSU is a solid B&M school that should be around for a long time. I could attend the classes in either Orlando or Fort Lauderdale. I have homes in both areas. If NCU decides to offer optional residencies then I might change my mind. But I doubt that will happen.

    Honestly, I seriously doubt I will go the DBA route, especially if business continues to grow. But you never know!
     
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  9. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Very much agreed. In my Masters program, I gleaned quite a bit by listening to the instructors while in-person in a classroom. Going the online route for doctoral studies is much more difficult because it is minus the classroom experience and exchange of information, such as on-the-spot Q&A sessions. Doing a 100% DL doctorate is much more difficult if it does not have an in-classroom component. That's not to say that in-resident doctoral programs are easy because they aren't and the attrition rate is probably high in all doctoral programs, regardless of residency requirements. However, I speculate that the attrition rate would be higher in 100% DL doctoral programs than in programs that have an in-residency requirements.
     
  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Eeeeeegad, I just found some tuition rates for JIU if you have a scholarship. It's only $1890 for one three-credit MBA class IF you have a scholarship. What is it without a scholarship? That comes out to $113,000 for 60 credits!!! :eek:
     
  11. dl_mba

    dl_mba Member

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    Its $37800.
     
  12. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    DBA is 72 credits!:eek: :eek: $45,360.00 more less
    Argosy 60 credits!:eek: :eek: $45.000.00 more less

    I am confuse:confused: with this thing called BBA in Doctorate in Business Administration
    http://www.jiu.edu/microsites/maricopa/programOverview.php?prg=9&spc=138

    Is this is a typo?

    Anyway, quite expensive like Argosy U!
     
  13. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator


    Thanks for the response. I am thinking the same thing and may go for a DBA from Argosy or a Doctor of Education, Concentration in Organizational Leadership from Nova.

    Since I teach for South (part of the same company as Argosy), I think I will get a discount in a year or two. Just something to think about.
     
  14. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    From the same link:
    "
    This program is ideal for executives who require a practitioner-based executive doctoral education that allows them to become “research professionals.” The subject areas for potential students seeking such programs include non-profit management, community college and other faculty and administrative positions, and corporate training, coaching and management consulting. "


    What I like is that the expectations of the program are more realistic, they offer this program to community college positions or corporate training. They never suggest that a DBA from JUI can be used for tenure track positions at the University level. A very honest and realistic approach in my opinion.
     
  15. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    This is what Northcentral says about their DBA program:

    This is what Northcentral says about their PhD program:

    http://www.ncu.edu/ph_d__in_business_administration.asp

    Seems to me these programs are for working professionals that want to remain in their profession. Could it be that NCU and Jones know the combination of DL and lack of AACSB will make it very difficult to get tenure track positions at the university level with these degrees?
     
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  16. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    Living in South and Central Fl allows me the opportunity to use the main campus of NSU, which is quite nice and close to the fun things of SF. Insofar as Argosy (University of Sarasota)is concerned, Sarasota\Tampa is not really that far from my location in Orlando. So they are also an option.

    Claudia Santin, Ed.D. President and Provost of NCU has her Ed.D. in Higher Education Leadership from Nova Southeastern U!
     
  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It is more realistic that a DBA from JUI and NCU would be used for community college or adjunct faculty positions than tenure based ones. The schools know this and they don't want to give false expectations to prospect students.
     
  18. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    In NCU's case it appears to apply to the PhD degree as well. Looking over this link I find nothing that would lead me to believe the NCU PhD is designed for tenured teaching:

    http://www.ncu.edu/ph_d__in_business_administration.asp

    I guess a doctorate from a DL school that is not AACSB accredited makes it a very hard sell in traditional academe. Han and her decision to bypass American DL doctorates and attend Grenoble looks by far the best route to take if you want to teach. Her degree is a DBA but AACSB accredited.
     
  19. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member


    Most of French schools could be considered "DL". It is not uncommon for students to register in a French doctorate and live in another country. I have met few people from Lebanon that have done this and been able to land a tenure track. Australian and British schools are another example. The problem with with American model is the course requirements that requires residence.
     
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    These inferences are interesting, but pointless. Please tell me who would spend $50K and 4 years earning a doctorate by DL just to take a job paying less than that per year?

    It's not "DL and a lack of AACSB." It's that these programs are self-paying (supported by tuition-paying students), not subsidized. That means their target audience is the person with the means to pay--someone who already has a job, but is looking to further their own career.

    Not only do such programs not target people wanting to start a career in academe, they're not designed to support the process. To become an assistant professor at a university, it's not about the degree and the source. It is about entering a track that leads to such a position. These programs--by design--do not. And largely, such programs graduate people who wouldn't want a low-rung, low paying job like that. It has nothing to do with DL and/or AACSB.
     

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