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    John Bear is offline Senior Member
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    You may be right.

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    Smile

    Dr. Bear,

    Years ago you gave me some advice and I was very pleased with it.

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    Thank you, Sidney.

    Of the 4,000+ consultations that I did, before I sold Degree Consulting Services in Dec. 1980, I had perhaps a dozen complaints, and everyone who asked got a prompt refund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bear View Post
    Yes, I would consider doing that. Send me confirmation of your payment(s) to Columbia Pacific (receipts, credit card statement, and/or canceled checks) and evidence of your enrollment (copy of transcript and diploma).
    Keep us updated if he is ever going to follow up with your offer. Somehow the troll indicator (first time poster, coming suddenly out of the bushes) seems to be every high...

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    Difference Between schools in Blog Thread

    California College of Natural Medicine is state-approved in CA. CCNM is a non-profit vocational school and clearly states this vocational/non-degree status on their website. They do not claim to award degrees. According to SB577 in CA, graduates can legally offer their services to the general public as long as they strictly adhere to the legal guidelines to not diagnose or treat disease. Curriculum is residential and online.
    Any one who thinks otherwise of this educational institution is either not reading the website or intentionally causing defamation of character. Freedom of speech is not a license to harm others. When you are writing blogs maybe you just don't care about how this affects graduates or students lives. CCNM graduates have responsible careers helping others offering non-toxic sound education . The founders brief resume is on the website for all to see.

    Clayton University closed 1989 and was NOT connected to Clayton School of Natural Health in Alabama, which just closed. During the 1980s, the United States Department of Education offered what was known as the "four by four" school approval process. If a university could prove that degrees earned by at least four different graduates had each been accepted by four regionally-accredited universities (a total of 16 acceptances), then that university was officially recognized, qualified for all Veterans and student loan situations, was given an FICE number by the Federal Interagency Commission on Education , and was duly listed in the Higher Education Directory. Clayton University was one of the schools that qualified under "four by four." A degree consultant would be irresponsible if he or she did not recommend such a school to relevant clients. Linus Pauling and Roger Williams were Board members and put their stamp of approval on this University.

    The third school is Clayton School of Natural Healing was recently closed. I am not confident as to the reason, however, some research indicates that they were not a federally recognized degree granting institution. Unfortunately for their existing students, this school did not refund students tuition and also even more important their reputation may have been injured. Graduates innocently completed training, paid tuition and now there is negativity about the school which may reflect on their ability to work. They say that they are arranging teach-outs for their students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bear View Post
    Vern:
    "...Since Bear is wealthy and I am not, I wonder of he would consider giving me a tuition refund for the bad information, so I can earn a degree from a better school."

    John Bear:
    Yes, I would consider doing that. Send me confirmation of your payment(s) to Columbia Pacific (receipts, credit card statement, and/or canceled checks) and evidence of your enrollment (copy of transcript and diploma). I will then verify with the archivist of CPU records, and if everything checks out, seriously consider your request. --John Bear (john.bear@mac.com)
    Still bearing the grief!

    I thought I would bring everyone up to date on Dr. Bear's offer to refund my tuition from Columbia Pacific University. It did take me a while to locate all of the documents he requested. I did find and send him copies of my tuition receipt that was marked paid in full, my transcripts and diplomas on June 30, 2010 by registered mail with a return receipt. I included a letter stating that if there was anything else he needed to let me know. On July 3, 2010, the Post Office delivered the package and secured his signature. I do have the return receipt. I waited and did not receive a reply or a refund.

    I sent him a follow up letter on October 7, 2010 stating that I had received the certified return receipt from the Post Office for the package that included all the requested documents for a refund. I pointed out in the letter that it had been several months and I had not received a reply or a tuition refund. I asked him to let me know what the situation is. To this date, May 13, 2011 (Friday the 13th), I have not received a communication or a refund. I guess I never will!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bear View Post
    Vern:
    "...Since Bear is wealthy and I am not, I wonder of he would consider giving me a tuition refund for the bad information, so I can earn a degree from a better school."

    John Bear:
    Yes, I would consider doing that. Send me confirmation of your payment(s) to Columbia Pacific (receipts, credit card statement, and/or canceled checks) and evidence of your enrollment (copy of transcript and diploma). I will then verify with the archivist of CPU records, and if everything checks out, seriously consider your request. --John Bear (john.bear@mac.com)
    Well, that is certainly great integrity on Dr Bear's behalf. Not many people would do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael O'Connor View Post
    Well, that is certainly great integrity on Dr Bear's behalf. Not many people would do that.
    Your being facetious, correct? Especially since he was a paid "consultant" for Columbia Pacific University while writing glowing recommendations for the school. I spent my time and money gathering the information he requested for a refund and never even received the courtesy of a reply.
    How is that "great integrity?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Your being facetious, correct? Especially since he was a paid "consultant" for Columbia Pacific University while writing glowing recommendations for the school. I spent my time and money gathering the information he requested for a refund and never even received the courtesy of a reply.
    How is that "great integrity?"
    No, I took that at face value. Sorry to hear that you weren't looked after. Are there any grounds for legal redresss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Your being facetious, correct? Especially since he was a paid "consultant" for Columbia Pacific University while writing glowing recommendations for the school. I spent my time and money gathering the information he requested for a refund and never even received the courtesy of a reply.
    How is that "great integrity?"
    Vern,

    Can /will you verify your claim with the USPS certified mail return receipt (dated July 3, 2010) with John Bear’s signature?

    Re John Bear 5/30/2009 03:04 PM:

    “Yes, I would consider doing that. Send me confirmation of your payment(s) to Columbia Pacific (receipts, credit card statement, and/or canceled checks) and evidence of your enrollment (copy of transcript and diploma). I will then verify with the archivist of CPU records, and if everything checks out, seriously consider your request. --John Bear (john.bear@mac.com)”

    Consider per Dr. Bear’s initial response “…and if everything checks out, seriously consider your request.” Vern, that’s not an assurance to reimburse your expenses; however if your claim has merit, then a non-response (either yea or nay) could seemingly be considered both discourteous and troublesome.

    In that you’ve a 3-time poster since May 2009 and have openly made a significant claim via this forum; and if you can make available a copy of the certified mail return receipt, I, as perhaps others, would be interested in reading Dr. Bear's account. If on the other hand, you’re unable or disinclined to produce the alleged record, I would see no basis for John devoting the time to counter your accusation.
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    Who raised this thread from the dead and why?
    Theo the Educated Derelict
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Heiks View Post
    Who raised this thread from the dead and why?
    Ted,

    As to whom … Vern on 5/13/11; as to why … again, we’re back full-circle to poster Vern for that answer. Why not let it play out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by major56 View Post
    Ted,

    As to whom … Vern on 5/13/11; as to why … again, we’re back full-circle to poster Vern for that answer. Why not let it play out?
    Sure......
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    Still bearing the grief!

    I have no problem sending a copy of the return receipt to any of you that provide an e-mail address.

    I don't see what my frequency of posting on this site has to do with credibility, nor am I aware of any rule concerning posting on an aged but important (to those involved) string that concerns thousands of afflicted alumni from schools that were recommended by Dr. Bear.

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    The problem is this:

    Trolls and operators of shady schools that dislike Dr. Bear have frequently tried to discredit him and others via various means. One of the most common is to create a new member profile, post once or twice, and then disappear.

    I believe your concerns are credible and expect you will get a response from John. My experience is he's about the busiest "retired" person I know so it may take some time for him to respond here, but he is also a person of extraordinarily high integrity, and it is not his style to simply ignore things.

    Feel free to email the copy of the return receipt to chip@degreeinfo.com and I'll post here when I receive and verify it (I know what John's signature looks like.)

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    Still bearing the grief!

    I have scanned the return receipt on two different computers using two different formats and the e-mail you gave me is not accepting the image. E-mail me an address at corresponder@juno.com and I will snail mail you a copy. The Post Office article number on the return receipt was 7010 0290 0000 1388 4540 and was signed by Dr. Bear on July 3, 2010. Given the posts here by others, myself and Dr. Bear, I see no room for doubts about the situation.

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