Going outside of North America is a last resort for earning a doctorate

A user here - Dave Wagner - at thread - I am now NCU Student-had this to say when questioned why he choose TUI which lacks AACSB over Grenoble- which has AACSB - "By the way, both CPU (1995) and TUI (2001) were great choices at the time I made them. (Going outside of North America is a last resort for earning a doctorate."
Is that true? Does anyone else agree with this?
I cannot understand why someone would go through all the work to get a degree considered inferior by academia. Is the US that snobbish that a US degree without AACSB is considered better than an European degree with AACSB? WHY?

 

The answer is simple, if you are planning to teach business, the trend is to require a PhD or DBA from AACSB accredited school. Other than that, you will not be able to meet the minimum requirements so your PhD won't make it to an interview.
A PhD from an European school might not be considered "superior" to an American PhD but at least be able to meet the minimum requirements for most of the American Business shools that are AACSB accredited or looking for this kind of accreditation.

 

From what I've experienced in 7 (!) personal interviews with US Universities at this year's AoM conference job fair, they ALL considered a state university doctorate from a Western European university (which virtually all have NO professional accreditation at all) as being equivalent to a US AACSB degree (which those schools ALL had as a prerequisite for a job interview).

That means: if you go to Europe, you don't even have to care for AACSB accreditation (which the vast majority doesn't have anyway), but if it's a good school from - say England, Germany, Holland, Austria, ... - the US schools will most likely accept it as being equivalent to what professional accreditation is in the US.

Cheers,
Trigger

 

Hi Jim,

How's it going with this new Byron persona?

Dave

 

That's a good question!

Dave

 

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Sorry old boy, I am not "Jim."
Getting some good answers. Why do you believe that a non-AACSB Ph D is a better alternative to a European AACSB one?

 

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Hi Jim,

Foreign doctorates held by U.S. citizens require a great deal of explanation both at universities and in businesses, and there are no DL AACSB doctorates available from North American schools, yet.

Let me know if I can ever be of service.

Dave

 

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Thanks Davey, but I prefer to get my recommendations from those that hold real doctorates from AACSB schools. Your unaccredited DBA and non-AACSB doctorate just doesn't do it for me. Kinda like the proofs in the pudding, and quite frankly your choices seem pretty darn poor to me.

 

From my experience - as a NSU graduate and fulltime faculty member that has hired for two ACBSP schools - I'd suggest a few points here:

1. The source of your degree is a major factor - but only one factor - in hiring. I've seen NSU grads at AACSB schools - and AACSB grads at NSU. One's overall portfolio - including degree, industry experience, teaching ability and research - all come together in hiring.

2. Market factors are also a big factor in hiring. This year in Information Systems, for example, there is a glut of grads ( perhaps 150+) and a shortage of positions (perhaps 50 or so). There will be AACSB grads without jobs. In accounting, the situation is very different. In fields like management (where folks from other places such organizational psychology come in) typically are softer in most years.

3. AACSB schools will normally prefer grads from AACSB schools - but there are over 1200 bachelor+ degree granting schools in the US and only 500 or so are AACSB. Many of the others are less specific about the backgrounds of people they hire. For that matter - I see a fair number of schools that employ non-business school grads (PhD/EdD's in education, for example) in their business schools.

4. In my situation, like many folks, I had the choice - a non-AACSB doctoral program in business or an out of field (e.g. non-business) doctorate. I elected the former - and it has worked out in the end for me.

Bryon - if you can find an AACSB program that allows part-time study and fits you - great. Some of us, however, have different circumstances. As for non-US AACSB schools - I'm glad to see this option become available. To date, however, I haven't met any graduates of these schools. I'm unclear of the graduation rate and the acceptability of such programs.

Regards - Andy

 

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Thank you Sir. I appreciate you insights.

 

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Thanks for the feedback, Jim.

Best of luck to you.

Dave

 

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No problem, Wilberforce. Let me know when you finally earn a real doctorate from a real school. AACSB accredited of course

 

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Jim, I appreciate the encouragement.

Please let me know if I can ever be a help to you, especially if you are unable to finish at NoCentral.

Dave

 

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Poor Wilberforce. Keeps thinking I would even consider a bottom feeder like NCU. No thanks. Next thing he will do is insult me more by claiming I am attending TUI

 

Bryon, everyone gets a warning from me, so here's yours. It's extremely poor form to make inflammatory posts on the very day you register.

When you attain Senior Member status, then you can make inflammatory posts.

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