PULC Buy 1 Ph.D. Get 2nd Free

Technically, you pay only half the fee for the first Ph.D. at Progressive Universal Life Church (and diploma mill) and get the 2nd Ph.D. free! Never has it been more affordable to stock up on Ph.D.s... ;-)

http://www.pulc.com/products.php

Dave

 

Progressive Universal Life Church? Was the original ULC reactionary or something? BTW - Why isn't this thread over in Accredited/Unaccredited/StateApproved?

 

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Hi. Instead of identifying/discussing diploma mills, the stated purpose of that forum is: "A forum for the endless discussions on the merits or lack thereof of unaccredited or state-approved schools in comparision with accredited programs."

Actually, it makes no difference to me, except that fewer folks visit that forum and might miss out in the natural humor of the 2 for 1 Ph.D. offer...

Dave

 

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And if you want "jokes, banter, comments, etc., that are either not related or very peripherally related to DL," you can go to Off-Topics.

 

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And a thread like this would be the perfect place to discuss the merit/lack thereof of a 2 for 1 PhD sale.

 

Offshhots I'm a ULC minister and seminarian and we actually at least require training to get a degree in our church. And must I point out strictly religious degrees are exceptions to most states laws so it will be fun to get such a degree.

Seriously though there seems to be a problems to alternate unaccredited paths of education I can get my degee from Rushmore having critics (most that never studied or know anyone that studied there for a degree) but this is a legal church- by my reckoning they can offer any degree of a religious nature they want. And people can use the titles so earned even if its a 2-for-1 sale.

For anyone interested in holy missions come to the ULC our seminary may not be fast or flashy but at least we offer a degree based on work. Even if a bit below the standards of the larger denominations the ULC is a legal ministry service and can offer seminary as they see fit.

So is there now a problem to a legal church offering religious degrees now its not necessarily a degree mill these are degrees from a church- granted that authority in the state and protected by Federal recognition by the IRS and other agencies?

(sorry but I have to defend my church as an ordained minister and member of the seminary program its nothing personal)

 

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There's a lot to be said for being anal-retentive about the taxonomy of threaded discussions, but the stated goal of that forum is: "Jokes, banter, comments, etc. that are either not related or very peripherally related to the general discussions of DL"

Dave

 

Are you suggesting that these degrees require work similar to an accredited Ph.D. degree? The pages imply that the degrees are being sold, so I ask in all sincerity.

Dave

 

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Exactly. Which is why this thread belongs over there.

 

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Actually, not exactly. Since the discussion is about D/L or a least what someone thinks is D/L, it doesn't belong over there unless the moderator chooses to move it over there. The meaning of words in the description of the forum is, well, the meaning of the words, unless you want to argue about the standard definitions of words.

Dave

 

Are you suggesting that these degrees require work similar to an accredited Ph.D. degree? The pages imply that the degrees are being sold, so I ask in all sincerity.

Dave [/B][/QUOTE]

Of course not my point and a legal one is they are religious degrees offered by a legal church, what does it mean being sold? Technically al degrees are sold you pay for them regardless if its a $30 donation or $30,000 in tuition.

I do point out the ULC seminary getting the credential takes time in getting the needed credits for the Dr. of Ministry and at least its a fun way- at least you have to get a certain number of credits generally it takes 10 courses.

But is it a match for a Ph.D. from a traditinal program no way. But at least its better than the upstart PULC if you think about it and its strictly a religious education for our church. And must I add 100% legal being a religious degree so would I call it a degree mill in our case not at all. Low in standards well sure.

In the PULC well again its a matter of perspective again I would say likely it would be but what are you going to do they have a legal right to offer them. As long as they are religious degrees of course but I think its in bad form. But a good way to make money.

 

I find it interesting that an ordained minister and member of a seminary program participates in the following type of behavior.

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=247415#post247415


What kind of church do you belong to?

 

In existence since 1959, the Universal Life Church is headquartered in Modesto, California, and has congregations around the world. The sun never sets on the Universal Life Church. ULC ministers come from all walks of life and spiritual traditions. Our common thread is our adherence to the universal doctrine of religious freedom:

"Do only that which is right".

Every person has the natural right (and the responsibility) to peacefully determine what is right. We are advocates of religious freedom.

The Universal Life Church wants you to pursue your spiritual beliefs without interference from any outside agency, including government or church authority.

~ Quoted from the web site of the ULC verbatim

In practice we have free thinkers, humanists, pagans, Christians, variants of all sorts of religions, voodoo practitioners and any other faith that is not advocating negative things. Anyone can be ordained legally over the internet and we have a Seminary Program where you can earn a Dr. Ministry credential from the ULC. I myself am still forming my religious ideas of the divine power as this power is likely never going to be known by simple human minds. So at best we can see hints of the truth in many ways.

http://www.ulc.net

www.ulcseminary.org

 

And we can stop there. I didn't see "Prostitutionist" in that listing, and given the number of "faiths" that ordain over the internet you aren't really adding anything to your credibility. WHY do you add to this every time you post, Thomas? What next, Nobel Laureate?

Dave

 

Excuse me for a second he asked about the ULC and its been around since 1958, is recognized as a legal church body with a seminary ministry apart from the main church.

The seminary requires 40 or 60 credits with individual courses that are worth 3 to 5 credits each and take up to 6 months to complete. Before you blast a program maybe check it out first. First many of you here attack my Ph.D. without any serious inquiry into my school just what other people said, then you attack my church again without any investigation then the seminary which you seem not to have even looked at.

And you wonder why I look down on accredited education at least I would investigate fully before attacking something. That is the difference between the enlightened classical mind and the tradesman which most colleges and universities are producing- academic carpenters and moneychangers with no interest in inquiry of new ideas. There are thankfully exceptions but few and far between.

As for this topic its simple a religious institution is exempt from most laws affecting issuing and use of religious degrees by the First Amendment and regardless of our views as a group- are legal and therfore not mill degrees. Even if they pay 30 dollars, read a 5 page leaflet and do a five question true or false open book test they have earned a degree. Now I think this policy under the title is silly and not as serious as the ULC and the two main degrees offered in the seminary which take an extended time to get. But I will not question the validity of the PULC credentials. PERIOD!

 

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2 PhDs for the price of one? This is a joke about a mill! Jokes belong in Off-Topics and mills belong in Accredited/Unaccredited/StateApproved!

 

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Exactly!

 

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As usual, Ted, you point to the blue sky and argue that it is not really the color blue at all.

Dave

 

By the way, the validity of the credential in the sense of "legality" is not my level of interest. What I'm curious about is the way in which the doctoral proposals and dissertations are supervised. If there is no supervision of the doctoral dissertation, then my view is that it is safe to say it is not a doctorate in the sense in which that credential is normally understood.

Dave

 

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Wrong! You are trying to sell a mill on a board supposedly dedicated to legitimate distance learning! You are the one pointing to a blue sky and arguing it's not blue!