Call for participation in a degree wiki

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by SteveFoerster, Jun 29, 2006.

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I took this from the "So I need a PhD" thread because it's a serious change of topic.

    I've been thinking about the issue of available reliable resources for degree seekers. Degree.net is off the air, Bears Guide looks unlikely to get a 17th edition, Lawrie Miller's list of cheap Master's degrees is great but getting pretty long in the tooth, and so forth.

    I believe the best way to maintain something like this longterm would be to establish a wiki. I realize that because of all the mills out there that there would have to be a little more quality control than Wikipedia has, but as that site shows, it's openness to community participation that can really build the best reference resource.

    The question is, who is willing to participate? I'm in a position to set one up and take care of hosting, etc. so I'll volunteer right here and now to take point if others are generally willing to help add entries for resources and keep an occasional eye out for mills, NPOV, and other matters.

    Anybody with me?

    -=Steve=-
     
  2. eric.brown

    eric.brown New Member

    Great idea Steve. I'll love to help out.
     
  3. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    What exactly is a wiki? What would you envision this proposed site looking like?
     
  4. eric.brown

    eric.brown New Member

    From Answers.com:

    Basically, a Wiki is just a webpage, but it allows collaborative editing of the webpage.
     
  5. PhD2B

    PhD2B Dazed and Confused

    Steve, that's a great idea. I'd also like to help.
     
  6. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    What sorts of things are going to be on this proposed wiki? Reviews of various DL programs? Links to various DL resources? Something else? Would there be ways of making sure that contributors actually know what they're talking about so the site doesn't become corrupted by trolls? How would one prevent a degree mill owner from coming onto the site to give his bogus school a favorable review? What would be the site's competitive uniqueness?
     
  7. PhD2B

    PhD2B Dazed and Confused

    Good points. If these issues are not addressed, then our efforts will be in vain.

    I detest trolls. :D
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    What sorts of things are going to be on this proposed wiki? Reviews of various DL programs? Links to various DL resources? Something else?

    Well, that's what we're discussing. :) I'd suggest starting with entries for schools with categorization by accreditation type, and entries for specific programs with categorization by degree level, discipline, and school. That's off the cuff, though -- what else can be added?

    Would there be ways of making sure that contributors actually know what they're talking about so the site doesn't become corrupted by trolls? How would one prevent a degree mill owner from coming onto the site to give his bogus school a favorable review?

    One way is to disallow anonymous editing, and to track all new entries to eliminate bogus entries. Mills will quickly discover any effort to keep an entry there is in vain.

    What would be the site's competitive uniqueness?

    One uniqueness is neutrality. All the surviving resources of this nature are run by people who get paid to suggest specific schools. That's why some of the best schools that we discuss here regularly, like Fort Hays, Peru State, and Amberton, never appear on their lists. However, I think the more important uniqueness is the ability to make use of the collective wisdom of this and other forums. There's an awful lot of knowledge in these forums, but one has to sift through it to get to it -- usually with your help, Ted! This is a way of making that information more accessible, and keeping it current more easily.

    -=Steve=-
     
  9. novemberdude

    novemberdude New Member

    I would participate, although my knowledge of DL and accreditation is far exceeded by most members of this forum. I have an interest in distance learning law programs, so I could help out in that area.

    I agree that quality control is the major issue. Is there any way that posting of new entries (or editing of existing ones) could be held subject to vetting? Would you want to have an approved list of editors who could make immediate changes in case something blatantly millish slipped through the cracks?
     
  10. eric.brown

    eric.brown New Member

    I believe Wiki's can be configured so that only authorized "authors" can make changes. It is also possible to configure the Wiki so that changes can be kept in an "approve" bucket so that all changes could approved by site editors/admins pror to posting.
     
  11. little fauss

    little fauss New Member

    I'd sure like to help.
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    True on both counts, and I would expect to do onr or the other -- disable anonymity or require moderation of changes. I'd rather it weren't necessary, but I expect it is.

    One of the questions is how to keep mills from having entries, but perhaps the answer is that we don't, and they we list them tagged with the "Degree Mill" category. That way people won't think they may just not have articles yet if they don't see them.

    -=Steve=-
     
  13. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Steve.....good idea, and I'd be glad to contribute whatever I can.
     
  14. tmartca

    tmartca New Member


    me too!!!
     
  15. eric.brown

    eric.brown New Member

    Good idea. We would probably want to create some method of communicating to the reader that the mills are mills and not a real school. Perhaps a header in 72 font saying "STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCHOOL" :) (joke)
     
  16. JoAnnP38

    JoAnnP38 Member

    Steve, I think this is a wonderful idea. I would love to contribute as time allows.
     
  17. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    The big question will be how to define a degree mill as opposed to an unaccredited school, especially with a view to avoiding a libel suit. Perhaps little fauss/nosborne/any other lawyer on this site might advise.
     
  18. little fauss

    little fauss New Member

    I'd be glad to help on the legal end, but truth be told, I probably don't know a lick more about the difference between a mill and an unaccredited school than anyone else here. But certainly, we pool our mental resources, we could likely come up with a serviceable standard.
     
  19. JoAnnP38

    JoAnnP38 Member

    If the wiki were created to deal only with schools that have CHEA recognized accreditation, how could we be in legal jeopardy by preventing other schools from being discussed. Perhaps negative discussion might pose a problem, but why not just prevent all out-of-scope content (positive and negative?)
     
  20. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    I'm reminded of when I was a new member over at degreeboard. RobertJ, the moderator of there who is also a DL law student, places a weekly feature in which he posts about "[Such and Such School]: Legit or Not?" A couple of the "such and such schools" in his weekly "legit or not" feature were Breyer State University and Robert de Sorbon University. In both cases I chimed in with the posting: "Degree mil!" (one of those times in big bold letters). RobertJ sent me a PM entitled "Libel Warning." Since that time, I've adopted the policy of not referring to a school as "degree mill" unless I knew for sure that it was literally issuing diplomas for cash, check, money order, or credit card, no work required. On the other hand, if some work is required (regardless of amount or rigor), I'm wondering if the appellation "unaccredited schools" or "other schools" or maybe a note stating "not accredited by any accrediting agency recognized by USDOE or CHEA or its international equivalency under GAAP" would be informative enough for the reader while being conservative enough to minimize the possibility of getting sued.
     

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