American College of Metaphysical Theology

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  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I received a catalog today from ACMT www.americancollege.com . Several interesting points:

    1. Dr. Jay Wise is listed as the chancellor. Dr. Wise is also president of Northwestern International University, Ltd., www.universitydegree.com .

    2. The Ph.D. can be obtained for $199, and course work can be completed within sixty days.

    3. Ministerial credentials are provided at no extra charge when one completes a degree program.

    4. Excerpt from catalog "On the day that you enroll in a degree program, you may legitimately add an important line to your resume, such as 'Ph.D. ACMT (Degree expected Summer 2001).'"

    Russell
     
  2. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Russell,

    Opportunity is knocking. It is time to drop that PUCHE degree program and do this one. Then you can have a geniune and verifiable
    degree from a US school. [​IMG]

    North

     
  3. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Great idea, North! I could be a Ph.D. by Thanksgiving and be able to sign all my Christmas cards as such. The only problem is that I am just a little slim on cash right now--could I borrow $200? I'll pay you back by Christmas. [​IMG]

    Russell
     
  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I would love to but I am a little short myself. Maybe I could offer to print the diploma for you and have my schnauzer sign it. He barks auf Deutsch and is very distinguished looking (gray beard and mustache).

    These mills give new meaning to the joke about Ph.D. meaning "piled higher and deeper". In the case of mills it certainly means if a person is saying they have a Ph.D. in the common sense meaning of the term, let me get out my hip waders because it is getting deep.

    North

     
  5. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Dr. Schnauzer is just the kind of fellow I am looking for to chair my American College doctoral committee, i.e., distinguished looking, gray mustache, with a slight German accent. Do you think he would consider serving? I am sure American College would have no problem with it. [​IMG]

    Russell
     
  6. Fidelis

    Fidelis New Member

    Why not.

    Accredited schools are necessary if one is going to teach in an accredited educational system. Otherwise, why not obtain a non-accredited degree? Accredited schools are the ones who really steal your money. I took a chance on ACMT 16 heats ago. A package arrived with 25-30 books to study. The only way you can finish in 60 days is if you are home all day, every day, and have nothing else to do but study. Also, in any self-directed study, one has to be disciplined, serious, structured, take notes, and create self-test exams, and so forth. That's how you study on your own and save thousands. When done with ACMT, I had to submit a thesis, which I also took very serious, did research on my topic, and added my experience to it. It took me two months to complete it before submission. Folks, sometimes you learn more on your than taking an accredited course. I have friends with accredited university master degrees and I know more than they do. I have helped many people and I am currently writing a book on spiritual development for publishing. One more thing, when serious about your degree you never stop studying and learning.
     
  7. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Wow. This might be the record for necromancing a thread. Our new friend Fidelis has gone back to the beginning of time to shill for this entity.
     
  8. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    ACMT does not exist anymore mainly because it was an a degree mill that was granting degrees in metaphysics with little work.
    There are some serious schools of metaphysics that have existed for decades. My favorite is Emerson Institute of Theology. This institution grants DDs and other theological degrees in metaphysics that are respected in the metaphysics circles.
    Yes, one does not need an accredited degree to be a metaphysics minister but there are some serious schools out there that require serious work.

    Metaphysics churches normally do not pay salaries like more traditional churches so you will not see a lot of accredited Metaphysics theological degrees. However, ACMT was far from being a respected school and more of a degree mill.
    I recall the degree was about $200 dlls and required a few pages paper.

    A similar option still exists, Esoteric theological seminar can grant you a metaphysics degree for $600 and a paper:

    Get Ordination Become an Ordained Minister Rabbi Pastor Priest Perform Wedding Study online PhD degree Religion Pastoral Counseling Metaphysics Doctor of Divinity Theology

    My assumption is that the paper was required in the case of ACMT mainly to give some validity to the degree but I hardly doubt anyone would fail the paper submission as long as the credit card was able to pass the $199 charge.

    It is sad to say that metaphysics ministry degrees have little credibility due to the proliferation of degree mills in the field such as ACMT.
     
  9. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    The problem is that you have a degree from a defunct school that only existed over the internet so you might as well say that you have a PhD from Mickey Mouse Metaphysical school as nobody can validate what you have. Yes, one can learn a lot from reading spiritual and metaphysics text books but claiming a degree from a ridiculous place like ACMT does not add much credibility to your profile.

    I remember this school very well as I was tempted to take its program due to low cost but there was no curriculum but just a paper submission so I hardly believe that they would send you 30 books to read for the low cost of $199. I ended paying few thousand dollars and completed a degree from the Metaphysics University,. The degree was meant for personal development.
     
  10. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    ACMT did send a pile of books to people, but there was no course guide or anything. The idea was to read the books, then write a thesis. I'm sure nobody read the papers.

    It was just a downright diploma mill. AFAIK, they were pressured by Government, moved, and became another fake school with a new name. I don't know what ever happened to the second fake school.
     
  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Were these real books or just links to downloads? I remember there was just a requirement for a thesis with a low number of pages. Most metaphysical schools require just readings and a short thesis but at least most of them have some online exams. As these degrees do not carry academic value and are more for self improvement plus there is no paid market for metaphysics ministers other than performing weddings, most of these programs cannot be so demanding otherwise nobody would take them.
     
  12. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Real books. Some thin paperbacks and a few thick hardcovers. I was actually impressed by that, even though it doesn't change the fact it was a diploma mill.
     
  13. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    Hey now, I respect the Mouse.
     
  14. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Besides, Mickey Mouse Metaphysical School is really known for their M.Div. program. The PhD is a different ballgame.
     
  15. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I thought they were accredited through the Masters level but not at the Doctoral level.
    [​IMG]
     
  16. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Nah, they're ASIC accredited now. And we know that is absolutely RA equivalent.
     
  17. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    American College of Metaphysical Theology, along with its sister entity Northwestern International University, Ltd., were both blatant degree mills. Jay Wise was listed as president of both mills. I actually know (as in know from a distance) a guy who earned a regionally accredited BA and MA, then iced the cake of his academic CV with a PhD from NIU, Ltd. I saw the diploma on his office wall, bearing the name of Jay Wise. He had paid $495 for his prestigious PhD.
     
  18. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    Ohhhhh ok. I get them confused. Thank you.
     
  19. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I bought once in ebay a CD with 2000 metaphysics books, I have not even read 30 of them in more than 10 years. The CD cost me 5 bucks. I kind of regret spending 2000 dlls in my metaphysics degree as I could have gotten the same with 5 bucks in terms of knowledge.
    Metaphysics schools rely a lot on human ego, they sell you something that is really worth 5 bucks for a lot more than that just because it comes with the PhD tag. This just comes to probe that we are vulnerable because our own ego.
    Fidelis is a clear example of this, he comes here and brags about his PhD when we know is nothing more than 5 bucks of books and a paper that nobody reads.
     
  20. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    It's an interesting point. I would imagine there are at least a few people with unaccredited degrees who quietly and obscurely hang them on their wall at home and maybe write a bunch of stuff that nobody reads all the while flying under the radar by not attracting attention to themselves.

    But the ones we hear from are usually narcissists who are painting themselves as the ultimate authority in (discipline) or are so incredibly self-conscious that they dedicate their lives to defending their degrees. I wonder about that middle segment of people (i.e. does it exist? How big is it? What is the culture around the degrees like in that area? etc)
     

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