California Pacific University

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  1. Byran Lee

    Byran Lee member

    http://www.minh.luong.com/AboutMAL.html

    Professor of Ethics, Politics, and Economics, Yale University

    Minh Luong
    DBA, California Pacific University

    ...another controversial topic in regards to whether a seemingly reputable unaccredited doctorate would dent his/her reputation and RA credentials in general...

    Regards,

    Byran
     
  2. Timmy Ade

    Timmy Ade New Member

    Bryan,
    Did this Fellow graduated from Purdue with a PhD? If so, then of what relevance is the
    (C P U) DBA to his reputation and other credentials?
    Timmy.
     
  3. Guest

    Guest Guest

    It appears that Mr. Luong may also have a Ph.D. from Purdue. If this is the case, I doubt the DBA is going to do much damage to his CV. He could always chalk it up as continuing ed.

    Russell
     
  4. Byran Lee

    Byran Lee member

    Hey Timmy,

    What I wanted to say, was that some have suggested that if a person has accredited bachelor's or master's degrees, and then topped it up with one of the better state approved terminal degrees, then there's a chance that the credibility of that person, in general, would be scrutinized. I don't agree, but it's been brought up.

    I guess Dr. Luong wouldn't be good enough of an example if he already has another Ph.D from Purdue. But, from his bio, it states that "his graduate studies at San Francisco State University concentrated on public address and organizational communication and subsequent academic Ph.D. coursework at Purdue University focused on....," which I thought he was an "All-but-dissertation." Later, it goes on to say that his professional doctorate is from CPU.

    I always thought CPU was a totally legitmiate school, though.

    Regards,
    Byran
     
  5. Timmy Ade

    Timmy Ade New Member

    Now I got You.

    Thanks Bryan,

    Timmy
     
  6. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    From Mr. Luong's website:

    I found no record of this company on Google.

    Which makes one wonder what qualifies him to do so.

    Interesting...
     
    I verified that he is listed in the Yale faculty and staff directory, although he is listed as a "lecturer" which is consistent with only holding a master's degree.

    I also verified that he is indeed teaching the intelligence course. Well, a university like Yale is not going to hire somebody to teach a course like that who does not have experience in the field.

    So... I suspect that Mr. Luong has a much more colorful resume than he is telling us. He smells to me like a former spook.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    A search of www.contentville.com for a dissertation by someone with that name turns up nothing. A Ph.D. from Purdue would likely have such a dissertation on file with UMI, which would be reflected at Contentville.

    As for the length of time it takes to complete a doctorate at an unaccredited California school, 9 months is often cited as the minimum time required. The DBA program at CCU does not require a dissertation, only coursework.

    Rich Douglas
     
  8. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    An interesting fact is that California Pacific University in San Diego claims to be the very first distance education university approved by the state of California, back in 1977.

    There were already a number of DL courses and programs offered by conventional universities in CA at that time though. CSUDH's external humanities MA program was started in 1974, for example.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Of course, the word "approved" has a very significant and specific meaning in California higher education. CPU might very well have been the first free-standing, distance education, unaccredited school to be approved under 94310(b). (I don't know this, but I do know they were among the very first.) Of course, back then the state didn't approve the entire school. Rather, it approved programs within schools. Many schools were state-authorized--94310(c)--but had one or more programs approved. CPU, in fact, once operated at all three levels. It was briefly affiliated with a University Without Walls program (RA) at the bachelor's level, had its master's approved, and its doctoral program authorized. Columbia Pacific, too, had some programs approved while the school (and, thus, the vast majority of its programs) remained authorized. All of this changed in 1989 when the state went to institutional approval.

    Rich Douglas
     

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