can you teach community college with a MBA?

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  1. philosophicalme

    philosophicalme New Member

    In theory, are 18 credits required in a specific subject, such as Finance, in order to teach a course in a MBA program, or can one have 18 credit hours in courses with the prefix 'mba' and be able to teach a MBA course?


    Rhonda
     
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  2. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    From everything I have been told, you would need 18 credits in Finance.
     
  3. Tim D

    Tim D Member

    You in theory still neeed the 18 graduate credits in one subject..Florida Atlantic Universtiy got into some trouble with SACS over this issue. In some MBA programs it is possible to get the 18 credits without having to take any extra courses. In others it may require additional courses
     
  4. philosophicalme

    philosophicalme New Member

    Thanks guys.

    In general, do most online universities require an adjunct to have a PhD? I understand that this would be more attractive to the potential employer...

    Rhonda
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    When I was at Keiser College I used to ask the hiring deans these sorts of questions all the time. :) THey said that yes, you need eighteen hours with that specific prefix, to the point of absurdity, even. They also did prefer doctors to masters, but there were still plenty of the latter. If you're talking about Finance, you should be able to get plenty of gigs without a doctorate -- they said that that field is the hardest one in business to fill.

    -=Steve=-
     
  6. philosophicalme

    philosophicalme New Member

    Steve,

    Would the prefix, for example, EMIB (Online- Management in Business) be sufficent for a position teaching management with, say, a prefix of BM (Business Management) or are they really THAT picky??

    Rhonda
     
  7. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    That would depend upon several things. First, there is the issue of the accreditation regiulations for the specific school you wish to teach at, which could vary by accreditor. (See below.) Second, there is issue of the interpretation of those regulations by the deans and the department chairs. That is, some might perceive themselves simply as hiring a business professor, in which case your MBA will be just fine, while others may be very picayune about whether your finance classes are abbreviated as anything other than "FIN" (or whatever their school's abbreviation might be). Third, there is the supply and demand for professors in your field. As finance professors are difficult to find, you may have more bargaining power than other fields.

    REGIONAL ACCREDITORS:

    Middle States Association (Delaware, District of Columbia, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands) www.msache.org
    New England Association (Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont) www.neasc.org
    North Central Association (Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming) www.ncacihe.org
    Northwest Association (Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Washington) www.cocnasc.org
    Southern Association (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia) www.sacscoc.org
    Western Association (California, Hawaii, American Samoa, Guam, Trust Territory of the Pacific, Virgin Islands) www.wascweb.org

    NATIONAL ACCREDITORS:

    American Council for Independent Colleges and Schools www.acics.org
    Distance Education and Training Council www.detc.org

    PROFESSIONAL ACCREDITORS:

    Assembly to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business www.aacsb.edu
    Association of Collegiate Business Schools and Programs www.acbsp.org
    International Association for Collegiate Business Education www.iacbe.org
     
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  8. mbaonline

    mbaonline New Member

    Ted, thanks for the links and info.

    Rhonda, you really are asking two (or three) separate questions: What are the requirements to teach community college? What are the requirements to teach for an MBA program (or undergrad)?

    As Ted says, it depends on the accrediting agency and/or the state education rules. I've been hired to teach community college classes based on my Masters, as the requirements for teaching lower-division classes (at least at my school) is just the Masters, not 18 grad credits.

    Many MBA programs require a PhD or lacking that extensive work experience, a CPA etc. to teach at the grad level. For undergrad upper-division, I would expect that many institutions would require the 18 grad credits.

    My opionion, FWIW, is that if you want to teach, get a Masters in Finance or Masters in Management or Masters in Accounting (and a CPA for the later). MBA programs are very broad and most wouldn't give the learner the needed 18 credits in any one area. That's my situation and I'm having to go back and pick up extra credits to teach.
     
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  9. CoachTurner

    CoachTurner Member

    Slightly different but supporting the idea of absurdity:

    The local technical college here is looking for someone with a graduate degree in music appreciation to teach music appreciation.

    Those in the field of music understand the humor in this -- there is no music appreciation MA. Music History, Music Theory, Musicology, Ethnomusicology, Music Performance, Music Education, Music Therapy, Conducting, Composition, Orchestration........ but not Music Appreciation. It's like looking for someone with a master's in Introduction to Theater.

    Hopefully, the people hiring in the business world aren't this absurd. :D
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I don't know about that, but I saw that most MBA holders were okay to teach Intro to Business, which was a BUS course, but not any of the Management courses. I thought it was totally stupid, and evidently it was an internal paranoia, not a genuine SACS requirement.

    -=Steve=-
     
  11. CoachTurner

    CoachTurner Member

    re: teaching in a CC with an MBA...

    Brookdale County College of Monmouth has a full-time tenure track advertised as:

    "ECONOMICS
    MBA with at least four economics courses or Master’s in Economics or Economics undergraduate with MBA required. "
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    Clackamas has an opening for FT Business Instructor that requires among other things:

    "MBA"
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    Northampton COmmunity College (PA) has a FT tenure track in business that is advertised as:

    "MBA in a business-related discipline required; doctorate preferred. "

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    based on this very cursory search, 1) yes a person with an MBA can teach in the CC systems 2) you may or may not need a specified number of hours in a specific area which may or may not equal 18.

    :)
     
  12. mbaonline

    mbaonline New Member

    I guess I should apply! ;)
     
  13. tmartca

    tmartca New Member

    Mira Costa (Community) College in California:

    Opening for Full-Time Business Administration Instructor:

    -----------------------------------------------------
    MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS:
    The applicant must meet one of the qualifications listed in #1 through #5:

    1. Master’s degree in business, business management, business administration, accountancy, finance, marketing, or
    business education;

    OR

    2. Bachelor’s degree in any of the above AND Master’s degree in economics, personnel management, public
    administration, or JD or LL.B. degree;

    OR

    3. Bachelor’s degree in economics with a business emphasis AND Master’s degree in personnel management,
    public administration, or JD or LL.B. degree;

    OR

    4. Valid, appropriate California teaching credential authorizing instruction in a community college;

    OR

    5. The equivalent

    [PDF]http://www.miracosta.edu/Administrative/HR/Downloads/Job%20Openings%20Business%20Instructor.pdf
    ------------------------------------------------------------


    This is the same for all public Community Colleges in California. There could be "Desireable" Qualifications in ADDITION, but what above is the minimum. No mentoin of ATLEAST 18 units of anything. Of course, one can possibly use 18 units earned units in a subject to fulfill option #5.

    Also, the pay there isn't all bad: [PDF] http://www.miracosta.edu/OfficeOfThePresident/GoverningBoard/Appendices/Appendix%20VC-01,%20Academic%20Salary%202005-06.pdf
     

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