Information about Euclid University

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  1. Friend2006

    Friend2006 New Member

  2. Friend2006

    Friend2006 New Member

    Information

    Please provide me information about the uuniversity. (If any friend can provide)

    Thanks,
     
  3. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    They appear to be an international university. Unfortunately, I am no expert in international accreditation issues. Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees by Distance Learning is another good source of information on distance learning. Dr. John Bear is an august former Senior Member of this board, as is one of his old students, Dr. Rich Douglas. They have de-materialized from degreeinfo.com, but they have also re-materialized over at www.degreediscussion.com .
     
  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member


    Funny how the use Rich Douglas words to justify themselves:


    "In his guest column, distance-learning expert Rich Douglas notes:

    Unlike almost every other country in the world, where it is the government that decides what is and isn't a legitimate institution of higher education, the U.S. does not govern who is and isn't accredited, nor prescribe what degrees are or are not legitimate."

    http://www.eucliduniversity.org/euclid/en/accreditation.asp


    They claim accredition from Central Africa. To me, they look the same as St Regis and the Liberian Accreditation. The course work for the IT program looks substandard (e.g. Algebra for a PhD program in IS).


    Nothing to recommend there
     
  5. Friend2006

    Friend2006 New Member

    Hello

    Dear Experts,

    I am expecting more information. Is this university Accrediated, Legal and good?


    thanks,
     
  6. Gideon

    Gideon New Member

    The details of the University of Bangui website (of which Euclid is supposed to be an external provider) can be gleaned from the following link:

    http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jhtml;jsessionid=XSINSG3IHCVXOCWMEAQSFEY?whoistoken=0&imageKeyPage=/whois/entry.jhtml&_requestid=1122657

    dating from 2005.

    The driving force behind Euclid is a colourful Australian-Croatian self-publicist who emphasises his quite mundane experiences and qualifications as if they were global events and aspects of genius. If he were the intellectual giant of academia and business as he claims, he would certainly have not set up such a ramshackle operation as Euclid. It seems he set up the University of Bangui's website as well, hence the lack of an edu in the website.

    If you are suspicious of a new venture, just check the staff online.
     
  7. Gideon

    Gideon New Member

    And you will also note that Euclid is linked to the now defunct HBTO, a sort of sad sack version of the Knights of Saint John, which granted diplomatic status to inadeqate fantasists. Euclid's Australian founder boasts of a Catholic Knighthood, a stellar political career (as a clerk in the Education department), and a major judicial appointment granted by the Queen's representative which is in fact Justice of the Peace which you can get (as my wife did) through an evening course at a local community college . He may have got it earlier than that when no course was necessary.

    Dealing with some African governments and universities to verify accreditation, links, degrees etc is not easy. Most don't reply and few have websites.
     
  8. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Re: Hello

    They claim accreditation from the Ministry of Education of the Central African Republic. While I do not know much about accreditation by the CAR, others far more knowledgeable than I speculate that Euclid's claimed accreditation by by the CAR might be about as good as the Liberian accreditation claimed by certain other schools that have been discussed at length on this board. Anyhow, to get the opinions of Dr. Bear and other august former Senior Members here, chime in at www.degreediscussion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=129 .
     
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  9. Friend2006

    Friend2006 New Member

    hello

    I have recieved any reasonable details. I beleive this forum is full of education experts.
     
  10. Friend2006

    Friend2006 New Member

    Re: Re: Hello

    My Previous message is

    I have not recieved......
     
  11. dl_mba

    dl_mba Member

    Somebody throw some linght on this !

    I found something funny...

    http://www.eucliduniversity.org/euclid/en/accreditation.asp

    Euclid degrees are also transferable to any other university if your goal is to pursue higher studies.




    Of interest to those interested in pursuing further studies in the US, John Bear's web site 'Degree.net" recently featured a guest columnist whose article "Accreditation and the Transfer of Credits and Degrees" was extremely revealing. In his guest column, distance-learning expert Rich Douglas notes:

    Unlike almost every other country in the world, where it is the government that decides what is and isn't a legitimate institution of higher education, the U.S. does not govern who is and isn't accredited, nor prescribe what degrees are or are not legitimate.


    Indeed, the issue of 'accreditation' or 'recognition' is cut and dry in most countries - and in the case of Euclid University its status as official extension of a governmental institution establishes its worldwide recognition.

    Rich Douglas goes on to discuss how US universities recognize various forms of regional, national and international accreditation:

    I talked to Capella University, The Union Institute, Walden University, Thomas Edison State College, Excelsior College, Charter Oak State College, and Strayer University. I asked them about regional accreditation and national accreditation. While I was at it I asked them how they treat degrees from foreign schools and unaccredited domestic schools. (...) It is clear that credits and degrees earned from foreign schools are routinely accepted -- provided they are evaluated as comparable to regionally accredited credits and degrees earned in the U.S. Every school contacted indicated their willingness to accept such degrees and credits. Most required the credits/degrees to be evaluated by a foreign credential evaluation agency. One school did its own evaluations; another worked directly with an evaluation agency. But most required the students to get this evaluation done on their own. It is interesting to note that every school contacted was receptive to foreign credits and degrees, but just the opposite was true of those issued by nationally accredited schools in the U.S. (In other words, US universities prefer foreign governmental accreditation over US national accreditation!).

    In summary, you can expect your Euclid degree to be recognized and accepted globally, not simply because of its direct governmental accreditation, but most importantly because of Euclid's obvious commitment to offer world-class education and to produce outstanding graduates.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Re: Somebody throw some linght on this !

    I seriously doubt that a Euclid degree is worth the paper that it is written on. Where is this "obvious commitment" that you speak about?

    CAR is ravaged by internal strife just like Liberia was when the St. Regis University accused criminals were falsely claiming accreditation from there.
     
  13. Gideon

    Gideon New Member

    I suspect that the University of Bangui's website was not produced by the university at all but by Euclid personnel. It is best to write directly to Bangui University in French and ask them about their relationship with Euclid. I will do that myself and let you know what happens.
     
  14. Gideon

    Gideon New Member

    The University of Bangui website states:

    "Site maintenu par l'extension universitaire Euclide" - Site maintained by Euclid extension university."

    I have also had a curt email from a colourful Croatian-Australian who accuses me of being unkind to him. He says he is not the driving force behind Euclid although he constitutes 50% of the entire academic and administrative staff.

    Real universities are not established because a minister of education says so. There are more complex procedures. The University of Bangui does not have the capacity to sanction the courses offered by Euclid. Euclid has neither the staff nor the courses to offer a degree program of acceptable standard.
     
  15. dave83

    dave83 New Member

    lets set the record straight

    My private email to Gideon was as follows (hardly curt) and considering the circumstances rather polite after he made completely untrue statements as if they were fact.

    > Dear Gideon
    >
    > I have been advised about certain comments you have made on the
    > degreeinfo website using my name and bringing my name into
    > disrepute. I am not sure about the source of your information but I
    > can definitely say I am not the "driving force behind Euclid is a
    > colourful Australian-Croatian self-publicist." as you claim in your
    > post. I am certainly no "driving force" and have had nothing to do
    > with running or establishment of the school. My only relationship
    > with Euclid is that I was approached regarding faculty membership
    > for the purpose of mentoring future students. I accepted the offer
    > and this is my only relationship with Euclid. Might add this is a
    > voluntary unpaid role.
    >
    > Something needs to be done about this particular post and others
    > you have made as other websites have already been picking up on
    > your false “facts” and have begun portraying me as something I am
    > not.
    >
    > Many aspects of your posts make to many very general assumption,
    > are exaggerated, inaccurate and fabricated. I am kindly asking for
    > a retraction of your untrue comments.
    >
    > Kind Regards
    > David Grabovac

    By the way Gideon’s follow up post suggesting that I claimed to be 50% of the faculty and admin in my email is once again another one of his dreamt up inventions and rather insulting. Under the extension agreement the university leverages about 40+ academics. I suggest Gideon in future does his research before making things up.

    May I also say that I do not see why you criticise me for being a JP. It is an appointment which came from a Member of Parliament proposing my name to the Queens representative in Australia. Yearly I perform 100’s of minor legal aid functions free of charge to the residents of NSW. It is mentioned in my profile as it is a requirement of the office of JP in NSW to be publicly available. My profile simply lets clients and constituents become aware of the services I offer as a JP so that they may utilize them.
     
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  16. Gideon

    Gideon New Member

    Here is a recent description of the University of Bangui, Euclid's alleged partner:

    "Faculty and other university workers have not been paid for months. This situation has been the major source of several problems. Many professors choose to teach in private secondary schools or work in the commercial sector to meet their daily needs. Some of them have decided to relocate to developed countries for regular and higher pay. Corruption has been rapidly growing on campus, and teachers’ willingness to evaluate fairly has been jeopardized. Immediate consequences of this difficult situation have been poor training quality and low faculty performance."
     
  17. Zoyd Wheeler

    Zoyd Wheeler New Member

  18. Friend2006

    Friend2006 New Member

    My dear firend,

    Are you not civlized yet?

    What do you mean "Dont waste time with friend2006".

    This is not your personal forum.

    I am very very thankful for all of my friends they provide me great feedback and information.

    take care!
     
  19. Friend2006

    Friend2006 New Member

    My dear firend,

    Are you not civlized yet?

    What do you mean "Dont waste time with friend2006".

    This is not your personal forum.

    I am very very thankful for all of my friends they provide me great feedback and information.

    take care!
     
  20. Gideon

    Gideon New Member

    Here is more about Euclid University's mentor, the University of Bangui:

    "At the University of Bangui, a number of female undergraduates have contracted the HIV virus from their tutors.

    'In certain courses, if a female student is beautiful, she won't stand a chance of graduating unless she sleeps with her professor,' said literature student Oliver Nyirabugara.

    Although the connection between teachers and student deaths from AIDS is no secret, the government would be hard-pressed to dismiss teachers or professors because of a severe staffing shortage. The death of so many teachers from AIDS led to the closure of 107 educational establishments between 1996 and 1998, and the remaining schools have had to merge classes in order to handle all the abandoned students.

    Last year, Miskine High School saw the death of its history, German, biology and geography teachers from complications of AIDS. Patrice Tolmbaye, headmaster of the school, said, "Every year we're seeing three or four teachers die of AIDS. Classes are now in excess of 150 pupils, and teachers are working longer hours."

    With half the country's teaching posts now empty, only 60 percent of the CAR's children are receiving an education.

    Finding new staff is nearly impossible. Teachers and professors are paid only about $100 a month, when they are paid at all. Because the government is strapped for cash, they are now owed a total of 25 months' salary -- 12 months from the regime of the former premier, Andre Kolingba, and 13 months from the present administration. In the meantime, they do anything necessary to survive, from selling homegrown vegetables to taking bribes in return for passing students in exams. "
     

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