Fielding versus Touro

I am wondering what everyone's impressions are regarding Fielding Graduate University versus Touro University International. I have read what many of you think about Touro, but what do you think about its Ph.D. in Educational Leadership versus Fielding's Ed.D. in Educational Leadership and Change?

Thanks so much.

 

Fielding is not in the same class as Touro( I know there are going to be(Touro) students who disagree). If you are looking for reputation go Fielding!Touro gets alot of play here for the same reasons NorthCentral does IMHO because of cost, and format. Fielding is an Excellent school, if you can afford it(that of course is why Fiellding is underepresented here, again IMHO).

 

When I read the first sentence, I was giong to jump all over this post. But the rest of it makes the point that Fielding is in a much different class, and I couldn't agree more.

Fielding creates a scholarly community around you. Your studies, while focused on the required learning areas, has a great deal of flexibility in design and execution.

Compare Touro to Northcentral University. Compare Fielding to Union, Walden, and Nova Southeastern. Touro is more like a correspondence school. Fielding is much more like the thesis-only environment, where research is king.

You'll have to compare costs, time-in-program requirements, residencies (Touro has none), learning methodologies, etc.

My opinion: Fielding, hands down.

 

Correspondence school? ... shall we update the terminology a bit?

Fielding is a more prestigious school than Touro; however, a direct comparison can't be made because the education formats are considerably different. Touro is also heavily geared toward research.

 

Susanna it is my understanding that Touro is rigorous in terms of their course and research expectations. There still exists some misperceptions regarding Touro amongst some posters as to the level of rigor and quality of their doctoral programs. However, I rate Touro way up in the hierarchy when compared to several other distance learning doctoral programs. Simon

 

I wholeheartedly agree with that assessment.

 

Compare Touro to NCU? Touro is more like a Correspondence school?

Come on now, Rich... not even close.

Touro is substantially different than NCU in terms of its overall academics, framework, substance, faculty, infrastructure, libraries...etc. In fact, Touro is far more comparable to Nova Southeastern (very similar programs, professional schools, libraries, campus facilities...etc.) than NCU or other purely online schools.

Profile and from online resources:

• Established in 1970 as non-profit private institution
• 5 main campuses (4 in the US and 1 in Israel)
- New York City (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Long Island)
- Mares Island, California
- Cypress, California
- Henderson, Nevada
- Jerusalem, Israel
• 27 main sites across the campuses
• 17 libraries
• International offices in Israel and Moscow
• ABA accredited law school
• Medical School (one of 19 US post doctoral medical schools approved by the American Osteopathic Association)
• All Colleges: The Lander College of Liberal Arts and Sciences (Men's and Women's Divisions); The Jacob D. Fuchsberg Law Center; The Graduate School of Jewish Studies; The School of Health Sciences; The School of General Studies; The School of Lifelong Education; The International School of Business and Management; The Graduate School of Education and Psychology; The School of Career and Applied Studies; and Touro University (California). Touro University includes Touro University International, Touro University – California and Nevada, home of the Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine and College of Health Sciences.
• Approximately 22,000+ students (corrected from an earlier post)
• Well over 1,000 full time faculty

Tom

 

Uh, uh. No way. You're comparing Touro College, not Touro University International. Not only were these utterly separate from the beginning, the gap widened even further when Middle States told TUI to go get its own accreditation from WASC.

Touro College doesn't even award the degree; TUI does.

This would be like some one graduating from UC Irvine, but comparing their school using UC Berkeley. A whale of a difference.

A much more fair comparison would be with TUI, which really compares to NCU, not Nova Southeastern.

 

Touro College and TUI are one of the same and it states so on the diplomas awarded: "Touro University International is a Branch Campus of Touro College, New York". I should know, as I have earned two TUI master's degrees. TUI answers to Touro College out of New York.

 

Rich,

With all due respect, you are wrong in terms of them being utterly separate. Touro University is a branch campus of Touro College, and that is exactly what it says on the transcripts and on the diplomas signed by president and founder of Touro College and Touro Univerisity, Bernard Lander.

But if that is your position, so be it. In my opinion the comparison between Touro and NCU is almost laughable, and that is my position.

Actually, if one compares UC Berkeley or UC Irvine collectively or individually to some bottom of the barrel state school, both of the UC schools will shine well in comparison.

Tom

 

Equating our two opinions by "so be it" doesn't quite cut it.

Touro College does not operate TUI. Anyone who was around AED when TUI got started knows this. There is no comparison with Touro College in terms of administration, curriculum, learning methodologies, etc.

I'm not saying the arrangement is bad, but it has been questioned. And as we've seen, the Middle States ultimately concluded that TUI should be accredited on its own, by its own regional accreditor.

Branch campuses of universities operating in other jurisdictions don't normally go through separate accreditations. The University of Phoenix, for example, operates in many different RA jurisdictions, but is accredited by only one, the NCA. You would think WASC would get involved, seeing that UoP operates several campuses in California. But they don't.

There is no significant sharing between Touro College and TUI of resources, faculties, administration, etc. Hell, the arrangement doesn't even rise to the level of franchise. Unlike, say, a McDonald's restaurant, which must operate within the paradigms set by the home corporation, TUI is utterly outside the scope of Touro College. It doesn't matter what is printed on the diploma; when you graduate from TUI, you don't graduate from Touro College. So using Touro College in any comparison including TUI is intellectually dishonest.

I would be willing to disagree with the points I've made if the academic community somehow agreed with your stance. But there is no evidence of this. There is no evidence--nor any reason to believe--that degrees from TUI are somehow enhanced by Touro College. Everyone knows that TUI operates like a wholly-owned subsidiary, rather than an integrated component of Touro College.

 

Would comparing Fielding to Western Governors be more appropriate (except, of course, that WGU does not award doctoral degrees in education)?

 

The quick answer is no. Fielding is different than WGU. Fielding's programs are very much different from anything else you will find. Look at Fileding's cirriculum and website and you can't get at least alittle more of a feel for what they are about . Thne comapre them to some of the other programs and sites I am sure you will find some differrences.

Perhaps someone else can think of a good comparsion school but I certainly can't.

 

I have done quite a bit of looking at both Fielding's and WGU's Web sites and curricula, and my impression (even after speaking with advising and enrollment-counseling folks at both institutions) is that the two are similar. Both are competency based; both do not package the coursework in terms of traditional units, credits, or hours; both make independent study the central learning modality while also boating abundant opportunities for scholarly collaboration; and so on.

At the same time, however, I could draw comparisons between Fielding and a number of other online institutions, many of which have been discussed in this forum. My main purpose in asking "Fielding or Touro?" was not to solicit well-argued comparisons or contrasts (although what has been offered is, indeed, interesting) but, instead, just to get knee-jerk reactions from all the knowledgeable folks here.

Thanks, in short, for all the insight!

 

Rich,

Perhaps if you and some others in the academic community were to do additional research using more direct and reliable sources of information to gain a more accurate and first hand knowledge of the situation you may indeed form a different opinion...or maybe not. I've had significant discussions with faculty, administration and students from Touro and I believe you are truly mistaken.... or better put, misinformed.

As far as stating "So using Touro College in any comparison including TUI is intellectually dishonest," well the comment in my opinion is out of line and quite frankly rude. Since I made the comparison (based on far more direct and accurate information), I also take personal offense. If this is the form and direction of discourse you choose to further your argument, then I'll accpet this as your position, and so be it. In fact, I respectfully leave all remaining discussion and the entire forum to you.

Good evening, and best wishes for a joyous holiday season.

Tom

 

You, too.

 

What do you mean laughable? What is your impression of the two schools?

 

I don't normally say this about accredited schools, but comparing TUI to Fielding is a joke.

 

Define correspondence school. I have taken a class at Indiana University and it was purely correspondence school style.