University of London "Diploma"

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  1. friendorfoe

    friendorfoe Active Member

  2. RobbCD

    RobbCD New Member

    From the UoL website:

    "United States of America, Over 150 centres, covering most states, are available across the US. For further information, full instructions and examination entry forms contact the Examinations Office, Room 24, University of London, Senate House, Malet Street, London WC1E 7HU."


    There was no link to go along with this information. It looks like you have to write to them to find out which locations are available in your area.
     
  3. RobbCD

    RobbCD New Member

    friendorfoe, the University of London apparently uses Thompson Prometric to provide their testing services in the US. Here's a link:
    http://www.2test.com/tcl/Client.jsp?pts=1133897430116

    Just scroll down the list of organizations until you find UoL.

    Good luck with your business management certificate search. Keep at it, you're doing the right thing.
     
  4. friendorfoe

    friendorfoe Active Member

    Well...it looks like 2 of the testing centers are just down the street from me.

    So how do you guys think:

    BSCJ Southwestern College
    Diploma in Management University of London

    :would look?
     
  5. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Looks good to me.
    Jack
     
  6. joi

    joi New Member

    It would look very impressive.

    Just 2 additional points:

    1. When I first applied for a BSc. with the External Programme, there was no EXAm Centre in Cuba, so I proposed one and they accepted. Other students who applied after that have also profited from this. So, IMHO, if you happen to live far from a centre (and apparently you don't), you may be able to arrange for a new exam centre close t oyour home.

    2. The lead college for your degree is LSE, second to none in the world. You'll complete a prestigious and demanding program.

    Best of lucks,

    Joi
     
  7. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Now you're talkin! :)

    I still say, though, that the way to word it, precisely, is:
    • Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice (BSCJ) from Southwestern College, with a Diploma in Management from University of London
    I really think, as I said in another thread, that tying the two together -- the overall impression of which will be more apparent once you've also got the MBA to list alongside them -- is the better approach. Listing them both in one breath, in other words.

    However, firstly, I think you really need to use the very specific name for the credential that has been given to it by its issuer. University of London offers several diplomas of this type, all of which are called the "Diploma for Graduates" and all of which then have "in somethingorother" appended thereto. The one you're talking about is named the "Diploma for Graduates in Management." To maintain your resume's integrity, you really need to call it that, and not something just close.

    Secondly, it would be nice if you knew what is the institution's official abbreviation for a "Diploma for Graduates in Management." For example, UofL calls its bachelor of science not a "B.S." as we do in the states but, rather, a "B.Sc." as they do elsewhere in the UK and many other countries. The Graduate Diploma may, for all we know, be abbreviated something like "DipGr" or "DGr" or "GrD" or whatever. With the "management" part added to it, it might be "DipGMgt" or something like that. I mean, don't make it up, but you should find out what it is so you can put it in parenthesis behind its full name, as "BSCJ" is behind its full name in the blue letters of this post, above.

    Thirdly, and finally, you're selling yourself short, in my opinion, by listing it as solely a "University of London" credential when, in fact, it's the impressive-sounding, and extremely well-known and prestigious London School of Economics and Political Science that's actually the lead school for that particular credential.

    So, just for sake of example, let's pretend that the proper abbreviation for the credential is "DipMgt". If so, you could list the two credentials, in one breath (as is my recommendation) as:
    • Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice (BSCJ) from Southwestern College; with a Diploma for Graduates in Management (DipMgt) from the London School of Economics and Political Science, University of London
    Now that looks pretty good! Then, once you have your MBA, it all comes together as:
    • Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice (BSCJ) from Southwestern College; with a Diploma for Graduates in Management (DipMgt) from the London School of Economics and Political Science, University of London

      Master of Business Administration in Quality Leadership (MBA) from St. Joseph's College of Maine
    Now you are talkin'! ;)

    Or so it is merely my opinion.

    So... friendorfoe... what's the doctorate gonna' be in? I mean, what the heck... as long as we're dreamin'...
    • Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice (BSCJ) from Southwestern College; with a Diploma for Graduates in Management (DipMgt) from the London School of Economics and Political Science, University of London

      Master of Business Administration in Quality Leadership (MBA) from St. Joseph's College of Maine

      Doctor of Philosophy in Managing Criminal Justice-type Stuff and Leading Criminal Justice-type People (PhD) from Mort & Sal's School of Teaching Stuff, Delicatessen, and Bicycle Repair
    "Dr. friendorfoe"... or maybe "friendorfoe, PhD."

    Ahhhh. It's got a nice ring to it, dontcha' think? ;)
     
  8. TCord1964

    TCord1964 New Member

    MUCH more impressive than the second bachelors from CCU you were considering. I still say that if cost were a major consideration for you, CCU would still be a good option, but just the NAME, University of London, will get you a lot more mileage. It looks more impressive than a lot of RA U.S. colleges on a resume, IMHO.
     
  9. fortiterinre

    fortiterinre New Member

    Gregg and Joi,
    Are you sure about the LSE Lead College status for these certificates? My original interest in the University of London External Programme was the possibility to study through LSE, but the website lists the Center for Financial and Management Studies at SOAS (School of Oriental and African Studies) as the Lead College, presumably very different from LSE.
     
  10. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    You presume correctly: The "Center for Financial and Management Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies" is very different from LSE.

    Different programs have different lead colleges. For the program about which friendorfoe has inquired, it's LSE. See this web page.
     
  11. friendorfoe

    friendorfoe Active Member

    Believe it or not...the Diploma from U of London is actually CHEAPER than a second BS from CCU would be....by about $1500.00. The program costs about 940 pounds which in U.S. dollars is like $1600 or so.

    So all in all, it's cheaper, more prestigious and looks really neat on a resume. Maybe I can walk around with my nose up....hehe

    BTW since we're dreaming....how's about a post doctoral study that solves all crime as we know it.

    :D

    Only one problem....I can't enroll into the program until I FINISH my BS. Oh well...life's hard.
     
  12. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    At least you have a plan, now... and a damned good one.

    Just look around here at all the posts saying, in effect, "Hey! I just got my bachelors. I'm trying to decide what to do next. Any suggestions?"

    :rolleyes:

    Candidly, sometimes I have to stifle suggesting that they just give back their bachelors and go work nightshift at a 7-11. The problem is: If I did, they wouldn't get it.

    Including solving the crime of diploma mills, I hope.

    Not necessarily. Some UK bachelors degrees are only three year programs. You might -- and I stress the word "might" -- be able to petition the school to make an exception, and to let you begin the program on a probationary basis, once you're down to your last 30 or fewer hours of your BS.

    Or not. Who knows. It's worth a shot asking, in any case. Just make sure when you do it that you're holding the entire $1,600 in your hand and are trying to put it into theirs. That can sometimes help.
     
  13. JLV

    JLV Active Member


    I agree with that.


    I just don´t agree that stated like that would maintain one´s resume´s integrity. I am perfectly aware that it is the University of London the organ which awards LSE degrees. But the wording from a real LSE diploma is absolutely different from that of an external one, where they merely point out the Lead Institution. In addition to that, real LSE degrees are signed by the School´s director. In my wife´s case, it was Sir Anthony Giddens, the famous sociologist who signed and handed the diploma. IIRC external degrees aren´t. On top of that admisions to the LSE is highly competitive, while these external degrees are basically open admision.

    In different words, one may feel tempted to say so in his or her resume, and probably get away with it, but it is clearly not the same.
     
  14. friendorfoe

    friendorfoe Active Member

    JLV...I did not know that. Thanks. As for the competative nature of schools, I believe that one day with the integration and acceptance of technology, combined with a smaller student base will cause some of these "exclusive" schools to re-think their admitance policies.....maybe not Harvard, Yale or U of London...but some of them.

    Gregg....of course diploma mills too. In fact this week they arrested a couple in Houston running a diploma mill.
     
  15. philosophicalme

    philosophicalme New Member

    friendorfoe,

    This program looks great. You've given me yet another option to consider in the future!Good luck with it!

    Rhonda
     
  16. fortiterinre

    fortiterinre New Member

    Thank you, Gregg, I did not even think to look in the undergraduate offerings, where LSE is often the lead college.
     
  17. friendorfoe

    friendorfoe Active Member

    philosophicalme


    ....just follow my lead ;)...

    seriously...Gregg DesElms....(the man).
     
  18. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    If LSE were all that were claimed, I'd say you'd be onto something. But there is no question that these are LSE courses... they're just through (or "via") University of London's external program. My having added ", University of London" at the end clearly covers that. If you wanted to make it more clear you could add the word "via," as in, ", via University of London"; or "by means of"; and you could add "'s External Program"...

    ...and I suppose you could name the town and the county and the country, too... that all lived in the house that Jack built... but there's a limit.

    This is not an embellishment. There's nothing wrong with arranging what's legitimately there so that it's in the best light. It just has to be legitimately there... and LSE is legitimately there.

    It's an equity issue. Think of it this way: UofL doesn't get to induce me to sign-up for the program dangling LSE like a carrot on a stick, and then turn around and deny me the right to put it on my resume, thereby proffering much the same sort of inducement, using the same bait, to potential employers. Fair is fair. If LSE isn't mentionable on the resume, then it's not mentionable in advertising and/or on UofL's web site. To do otherwise would be equivalent to Harvard offering to let me earn a degree there... but only if I never told anyone where I got it.

    As for the listing it all "in one breath" thing, that reflects friendorfoe's expressed purpose for obtaining the credential in the first place; and is in sync with UofL's stated purpose for offering it as well, to wit:
    • Diploma for Graduates

      For students who wish to undertake postgraduate work and whose first degree is in an unrelated field.
    In other words, to round-out a primary bachelors degree with some additional study that's approximately equivalent to a second major, but without increasing the number of hours/courses on the primary degree's transcript; or transferring 90 of its hours into a second 120-hour bachelors program.

    There isn't a thing about any of this, as I've stated it here, that diminishes anyone's, or anything's, integrity.
     
  19. friendorfoe

    friendorfoe Active Member

    Thanks for clarification Gregg.
     
  20. JLV

    JLV Active Member

    I said, DesElsms that one could probably get away with it, but that is not an LSE degree. The LSE doesn’t have you in its alumni list, the LSE doesn’t have your transcript or any other record showing that you were a student with them, and, as I said, even the diplomas are absolutely different.

    One could say one has a degree from the LSE by getting one of those external diplomas for graduates or a bachelor’s, and give as well all reasoning you provide above, but the fact is that he or she doesn’t have one.
     

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