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    The Certified MBA

    Has anyone ever taken the MBA certification test? It seems that there is always an emphasis on leveling the playing field using the GMAT to get into business school but how about leveling the playing field after graduation? It would seem that a measure of a graduates newly acquired MBA skillset would be more important than where or how the student studied.

    Below is the link to the Certified MBA website.

    http://www.certifiedmba.com/default.aspx
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    Do not forget about taking the Certified CGE

    The CCGE (Certified College Graduate Exam) is designed to help recent college grads without significant work experience differentiate themselves from other college graduates. With the continued record numbers of college graduates entering the workforce, graduates should have the means to show they have the necessary skill sets demanded by employers, and the CCGE prove to potential employers without a doubt that you did not waste your college years drunk or stoned, and that you did not cheat your way through college. Our certification test is priced far below what normal market forces would demand, just $199 and you too can have the exciting opportunity to sit for and become one of the ranks of potential employees who are certified college gradutes.

    As for the CMBA, I do not believe in it. The CPA exam on the other hand, which allows me to become licensed I will sit for.

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    Oh, no, not this nonsense again!

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    I already took the Bar once, that's enough certification for me.

    If I had to take another standardized test to prove my post-grad mettle, by the time it was all done, I think they'd have to "certify" me--as a lunatic, that is!

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    I see a couple of grads from unaccredited AMBAI U. in the list of Certified Masters.

    http://www.certifiedmba.com/director..._directory.pdf

    Is this evidence that an unaccredited school can meet the expectations?

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    Re: The Certified MBA

    Originally posted by Bruboy
    Has anyone ever taken the MBA certification test? It seems that there is always an emphasis on leveling the playing field using the GMAT to get into business school but how about leveling the playing field after graduation? It would seem that a measure of a graduates newly acquired MBA skillset would be more important than where or how the student studied.

    Below is the link to the Certified MBA website.

    http://www.certifiedmba.com/default.aspx
    How new is this nonsense? I think I've seen two or three or four threads on it. Does the guy that's peddling this crap have his MBA Certification? Or is he just some mere humble regular MBA ?
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    Post-degree tests for degree validation

    Originally posted by oxpecker
    I see a couple of grads from unaccredited AMBAI U. in the list of Certified Masters...Is this evidence that an unaccredited school can meet the expectations?
    Yes, it is. That's why AMBAI is proudly advertising the fact on their home page. And in this case, certification probably really does add credibility and value to the degree, since is unaccredited and lacks other independent validation of its quality.

    Similarly, graduates of unaccredited law schools can obtain external validation of their degrees by taking and passing the California Bar exam. Graduates of unaccredited engineering schools can validate their degrees by taking and passing the California Professional Engineer exam. However, the numbers that I've seen suggest that unaccredited degree holders pass these exams in much lower numbers, and at much lower rates, than their counterparts with RA degrees.

    It would be interesting to compare the pass rates or average scores for RA, NA, and unaccredited schools on the CMBA exams. According to ICI, all of the top (90+ %) performers on the initial exam were from AACSB-accredited schools.

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    What metrics are used to evaluate the content of the test? Who said these are the required knowledge of an MBA ? Who really remembers everything they study during a college class? If I have an exam to take, I will study for it, regardless if it is an one of my MBA courses, a CMBA, or the CPA exam. How much of that knowledge do I retain after the test is over?

    Earning an MBA through an accredited school shows that I have taken an approved curriculum and that I have the ability to do research, academic work and/or case study analysis at a given level of proficiency. This is one reason I believe that RA and AACSB accreditation has a place in business education , call it quality control measures. This should be some of the qualities an employer looks for in a potential employee, partner, etc.

    Since there is no requirement to be a licensed or certified MBA , and quite simply I think the concept is ridiculous, I will never take this test. It is as ridiculous as my "Certified College Graduate Exam" I made up.

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    I can only see value in the CMBA. In an unaccrediated MBA program or perhaps in a case where some recieved an MBA from a school the thought may be seen as inferior to the outside world. In either of those two cases or in the case of a solid MBA graduate this test is crap! There are many other credentials that will get you alot further like six sigma, CPA , CFA , etc. They are more recognized in industry and more sought after. Never have I seen a job posting for an MBA position where it said CMBA perfered.

    Just my thoughts

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    A company that nobody ever heard of, not at all affiliated with any accrediting organization (like AACSB, which I think is a scam itself but that's another story), makes up an exam, charges $330, and then awards you a "certification."

    They list their advisory council members (both business and academic) as "made up of individuals."

    This is what we call a degree mill, except these people are sneaky because they are not degrees; they are "certifications."

    I can't believe people fall for this.
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    Is the CMBA exam really any different from the SAT, ACT, GRE, GMAT, and whatever other exam that purports to level the playing field among graduates/applicants given varying standards within the education field? Is the CMBA exam really any different from the SAT, ACT, GRE, GMAT, and whatever other exam one takes after earning a diploma or degree awarded after years of pursuing an approved set of coursework? Do the exams above, most of which are in fact weighted so strongly in admissions decisions for entry into higher-level programs, have more value than the years of studying one has actually spent trying to earn his/her diploma or degree?

    Maybe we should start questioning the very essence of instituting standardized or certification exams, that, according to critics, measure only one's test-taking abilites and one's state of mind during that particular hour of that particular testing day?

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    Originally posted by edowave
    A company that nobody ever heard of, not at all affiliated with any accrediting organization (like AACSB, which I think is a scam itself but that's another story), makes up an exam, charges $330, and then awards you a "certification."
    I wouldn't want a non-AACSB MBA to design a bridge for me...

    No wait...that's non-ABET engineer ...never mind.

    Carry on with your rant. :D
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    Maybe unnecessary, but not a mill

    Originally posted by edowave
    This is what we call a degree mill, except these people are sneaky because they are not degrees; they are "certifications."

    I can't believe people fall for this.
    "Certification mills" do exist, just as degree mills exist. But in fairness, I don't think the ICI Certified MBA is one. It appears to be a legitimate and well-funded effort; for example, their tests are offered through Prometric, the same company that handles CPA exams. And the pass rass is not high; only 54% for the initial exam. That's quite comparable to, if not lower than, the pass rates on other professional exit exams, like state bar exams or Professional Engineering exams.

    A more likely example of a "certification mill" is the "Oxford Association of Management" (no connection to Oxford University) which will "certify" your MBA degree for a flat fee without any test. And despite the lack of testing, the flat fee (at 300 pounds sterling) is even more expensive than ICI's Certified MBA fee (it must be admitted that the certificate is lovely and includes the desirable word "Oxford").

    But even if the ICI CMBA is legit, that doesn't mean that it is necessary or valuable. The jury is still out on that issue, and clearly many people are unconvinced. I'm not convinced myself.

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    CalDog: A well-funded mill is still a mill.
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    CMBA recognition in academic community

    Originally posted by Ted Heiks
    A well-funded mill is still a mill.
    Like it or not, the CMBA is being taken seriously by legitimate accreditors and accredited schools. Some examples, which were culled from the propaganda at certifiedmba.com:

    - Ashland University, which is RA and ACBSP accredited, not only hosted the Certified MBA exam, but offered a for-credit review course.

    - The University of Nevada-Reno, SUNY-New Paltz, and LSU all issued enthusiastic press releases after their MBA grads became "certified". These are all RA schools; UNR and LSU are also AACSB.

    - The Executive Director of ACBSP, in a published interview, called the CMBA "an excellent tool" that "provides a reliable and valid methodology to determine a person’s ability to understand and apply the MBA body of knowledge."


    Granted, this is probably not a balanced picture: I don't doubt that there could be opposing viewpoints at other institutions. But it does appear that the CMBA has already achieved some level of recognition and acceptance among the legitimate business school community. At least some accredited schools are treating it like a meaningful credential.

    The CMBA may or may not be valuable or necessary. However, a 6-hour test with a 46% flunk rate sounds to me like an exam with some teeth in it, not a "mill" certification.
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    Fine. Show me a job listing with it. Show me a school that requires it for admission. Then I'll start believing it.

    I wonder about the pass rate. The educator in me says it's attributable to being attractive to people who are struggling to justify themselves or their MBA 's--not a robust group for passing such a thing.

    The trainer in me says, "What do you expect? You have candidates from all types of MBA programs taking one exam. Their MBA programs may or may not have prepared them to take the exam. When you have an exam without training that is tied to the exam's objectives, you have both a high failure rate and a sloppy design ."

    This seems like a marketing ploy not unlike Gillette. (Give away the razors, but sell the blades that fit it.) Offer up the certification, but sell courses, books, etc., to prepare for it.

    Again, show me the demand for such certification.

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