NCU Mentor with NA doctorate

Here is one of NCU's faculty. I don't know that he teaches doctorate students but he is listed as a faculty mentor. It is interesting that the school would accept him as a faculty member because of his NA doctorate. NCU does say that they do not allow non-terminal degree holders to be on doctoral committees, though. They might still consider an NA doctroate to be terminal.

http://www.ncu.edu/mentor%5Flist/pub/

Peter Tai-Ping Kung
DBA, from Pacific States University
MBA University of New Orleans of USA
BBA National Chengchi University of Taiwan.

 

On the surface of it I do not see a problem. What is the difference. The National accreditor is recognized by CHEA & the US DoE just like the RA accreditor is. The school itself was founded in 1928 and has a residential campus. Would you rather have a mentor from RA U of Phoenix. That carries its own baggage due to people's biases.

Now where I do see something curious is that a quick look of the Pacific States U web site does not indicate any DBA program I saw. That leads me to ask whether he does have a Nationally accredited doctorate. Did PCU have doctorates prior to accreditation and drop them. Or were they accredited to offer doctorates and dropped them??? Or did I just miss them??

North

 

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Excellent find, North. I totally missed that one.

 

I did see that Pacific States granted a DBA "honoris causa". Maybe this guy really has an honorary DBA.

Like this guy... http://www.socccd.org/board/fuentes.asp

 

DBA – accredited by the Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools

MBA – accredited by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools

Does the ACICS actually accredit doctorates (similarly to how DETC doesn’t accredit doctorates)?

 

If AACSB schools can list holders of "dubious" degrees, what is wrong with a NA doctorate?

The Chronicle of Higher Education From the issue dated June 25, 2004

http://chronicle.com/prm/weekly/v50/i42/42a00901.htm

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DEGREES OF SUSPICION
Psst. Wanna Buy a Ph.D.?
Some professors have dubious doctorates, other professors sell them, and colleges often look the other way

Emphasis mine

Valdosta State is AACSB accredited

 

Re: Re: NCU Mentor with NA doctorate

They used to offer doctorates as of Bear's Guide 9th edition (1985).

 

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I could swear I saw an old thread about the ACICS accrediting doctorates.

 

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Yeah. Pacific States used to offer a DBA back when all they had was CA-approval. Then they (sorta-kinda) discontinued the DBA when they sought ACICS accreditation.

http://app1.dca.ca.gov/bppve/school-search/view-school.asp?schlcode=1905291

I say "sorta-kinda" because they really didn't drop their doctoral program at all. They still offer it from the same address and phone number in Los Angeles, except now it has a different university's name on it -- American International University:

http://app1.dca.ca.gov/bppve/school-search/view-school.asp?schlcode=1942521

Frankly, it doesn't impress me that either ACICS or the BPPVE let them do that.

 

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Interesting Bill. Rather dubious?? It is not NA & it is not RA. Sort of reminds me of the CCU issue where they discontinued the doctorate in order to become accredited but you could finish if you were already in the program. I wonder how many times his doctorate is assumed to be accredited by doing a quick check to see if the school is accredited and doing no further check to see if they were accredited to offer doctorates, etc. May bode well for some CCU doctoral grads.

Strange shell game like situation between the two schools.

North

 

Doctorates from Pacific States University should be considered unaccredited. I believe that Pacific States awarded doctorates in the past when it held only California state approval. They probably dropped all doctoral programs when they were preparing for ACICS accreditation. Schools that hold ACICS accreditation don't award degrees above master's level. I know a community college president in New Jersey who holds a Pacific States PhD that was awarded in early 1980s. I believe that all doctoral degrees that were awarded by Pacific States University are unaccredited degrees.

 

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Oh... I didn't read your post before making mine. Interesting...

 

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Nope.... they can't accredit any program above master's degree.

 

FYI, Dr. Peter Kung is a well-known "Offshore Expert" in the "Greater China" area(Taiwan/Hong Kong/Mainland China). An offshore expert is the one who advise you where (BVI, Cayman Islands, Bermuda or Hong Kong) to set up your trading company in order to get the maximum tax advantage (as well as to avoid government regulation, particularly Taiwan's restrictions on Mainland investment). I believed that he got his PSU degree 10+ years ago when he was resided in the L.A.

 

I took a look at Touro's faculty listing. As a credit to Touro, I did not see any "funky" doctorates listed.

 

So what is the point? The University of Washington has no problem listing a state approved but unaccredited degree:

University of Washington

http://depts.washington.edu/cmweb/grad/faculty.html

Barry Leahy, Ph.D.
Ph.D. in Business Administration/Economics from Pacific Western University, 1994


Looks to me like PSU holds the same status as PWU:

http://app1.dca.ca.gov/bppve/school-search/view-school.asp?schlcode=1905291

PACIFIC STATES UNIVERSITY -

CURRENTLY APPROVED/REGISTERED/RELIGIOUS EXEMPT PROGRAMS:
(If no programs are listed below, please contact the school for a current catalog of BPPVE-approved and BPPVE-registered programs.)

https://app1.dca.ca.gov/bppve/school-search/view-school.asp?schlcode=1927881

PACIFIC WESTERN UNIVERSITY-

CURRENTLY APPROVED/REGISTERED/RELIGIOUS EXEMPT PROGRAMS:
(If no programs are listed below, please contact the school for a current catalog of BPPVE-approved and BPPVE-registered programs.)

Guess the prestigious University of Washington has a part time lecturer listed only by his "funky" doctorate. Imagine that!

Just my opinion

 

I agree with you. I have brought up this info in the past on the board with schools listing people with non-RA doctorates. However, the responses on the board, for the most part, were that "the schools do not know about this and that they get this bio information from the person themselves"...or some other baloney like that.

The point for the NCU guy is this... NCU draws it's doctoral committee members from these faculty mentor ranks. If this guy sits on a doctoral committee with an unaccredited doctorate then I believe that is wrong.

 

Universities decide who may or may not lead doctoral students.

Some universities have doctoral advisors that do not hold doctorates from accredited schools. Others do not hold doctorates at all, yet they advise doctoral candidates.

John Bear frequently remarks about Marina Bear's choice of Vanderbilt for her Ph.D., and how it was driven largely by her desire to work with a particular advisor. That person, held in very high regard by his peers and his university, has no doctorate.

I've frequently posed the question to those who would tout the value of unaccredited doctorates: show us the example where such a person is employed at an accredited school that requires he/she hold a doctorate. I know these examples exist, of course, and it is perfectly reasonable for a school to make an individual hiring decision that includes recognition of a non-RA degree. These exceptions, rare, do not prove a thing, except that the hiring practices of universities are not as cut-and-dried as some would suppose. (Especially in reading this thread.)

 

Very interesting. I never knew this was so prevalent in the RA world(that non-doctored people were on dissertation committees. to me, it seems like a medical resident being trained and supervised by a nurse rather than a medical doctor...not that nurses don't have something to offer but they don't have that kind of training). Then, it is something perfectly acceptable?

The recognition you are referring to in the hiring of an individual would be the pay that a person receives for having an RA doctorate vs a non-accredited one?

Bing

 

Using your example, a nurse moves to the most remote parts of Africa. Due to no available resources and facing death as an alternative for her patients, she starts doing small surgical procedures. As time goes on, her expertise becomes unique in all of medicine. She is so unique and skilled and talented that she invents a new surgical procedure that no doctor has ever tried much less perfected.

This nurse would most definitely be qualified to mentor a medical student due to well established, professionally recognized, demonstrable expertise in a medical procedure, regardless of her lack of MD.

This is the usual scenario when a mentor has a lesser degree but serves as a mentor. It is a person very unique and professionally respected regardless of degree level.