Charles Sturt U. PhD v. U. of Newcastle DBA

ChDalres Sturt U. PhD v. U. of Newcastle DBA

What is the better choice for prestige and recognition?

 

Which is the better choice? Desire as much B&M prestige and recognition for use in professional management consulting ias possible from a DL doctorate (no virtuals) Prefer PhD designation, but Charles Sturt U.is ranked 30th (2002) Melbourne Institute Index) v. U. of Newcastle at 13th. Enjoy this DegreeInfo site and welcome input from members.

 

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These are the top 8 schools in Australia, according to the 2004 Times Higher Education Supplement...
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The University of Adelaide
The Australian National University
The University of Melbourne
Monash University
The University of New South Wales
The University of Queensland
The University of Sydney
The University of Western Australia

They are prestigious ones and are referred to as Group 1. in the country. Newcastle nor CSU is in here.

Newcastle definitely ranks higher than Sturt, though. Newcastle is a state school and I believe many consider Sturt almost like a vocational school. Someone correct me if I am wrong about Sturt.

 

You may be right about the school rankings, I don't pay much attention to them. However, on the doctoral level I believe that it is the reputation/ranking of the specific department that counts more than the ranking of the entire school. Also, the reputation of the dissertation advisor also plays a role in this equation.
My advice? Apply to both. Make your best deal (money, time, advisor, topic, etc.) Don't worry too much about the subjective opinions of others. Good luck.
Jack

 

I was going to apply to 3....

I applied to 2 schools in Aussie,

Newcastle
Southern Queensland

I had intended on applying to Charles Sturt as well but prior to applying to Sturt you have to submit a summary of your proposed dissertation for review to see if there is someone who can supervise. They responded that they had no one available.....

 

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Likely to get the same response at Curtin, too. Alhtough, their school is more for internet studies.

 

Smart move DTechBA Charles Sturt has a knack of not being able to find the right supervisors.

Between Newcastle and Charles Sturt, Newcastle has a much better standing

 

Which U of Newcastle or you refering to?
The University of Newcastle-on-Tyne, UK http://www.ncl.ac.uk/ or the University of Newcastle, Australia http://www.newcastle.edu.au/

The University of Newcastle-on-Tyne appears to offer a joint DBA with Grenoble.
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/nubs/postgrad/taught_degrees/dba/

 

Charles Sturt U. DL PHD v U. of Newcastle DL BDA

The Melbourne Institute Index I referred to is only a ranking of Australian universities, and therefore it is the U. of Newcastle in Australia. I'd prefer to avoid the UK these years...something may go boom.

 

Re: Charles Sturt U. DL PHD v U. of Newcastle DL BDA

I found that joke to be ........ And also ......

 

CSU offers the PhD and DBA while NU only the DBA by DL. The PhD is the australian credential for teaching while the DBA is not really for academics but for practicioners.


Neither CSU or NU are top rated so the decision should be based on the availabiliy of supervisors for research and reputation of the potential supervisor. If teaching is your final goal, you are better off with the PhD from CSU although American and Canadian schools recognize the DBA as a teaching credential as well.

My personal experience with CSU is that they were really slow and disorganized. I was not able to get an straight answer and more than one has complaint about them in this board. However, this might not be the case presently as I dealt with them more than 6 years ago.

 

I truly agree that CSU is really disorganised especially when handling a program so when it comes to progressing half the time you are lost.

 

Hi All,

My very recent and current experience at CSU has been favorable.

I have had a very attentive and competent advisor for over three years. Administration and other issues have been straight forward.

My experience is not dated or hear say, so just thought I'd jump in to one of these periodic discssions.

BAH

 

CSU doctorate in business program keeps on encouraging their DBA students to present their assignments and invites prospective students from Hongkong and Thailand to the event. It seems impressive enough if you are looking at it from a promotional viewpoint to give the impression that there are lots of eager students and that standards are high.

So much so that even if one had passed the presentation aspect of the DBA program one were encouraged to go over it again to help CSU promote itself.

 

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However, you will find many faculty members at Aussie unis who have the DBA.

The Australian PhD seems to be a "step" up, dissertation length anyway(or thesis as they call it) from the American PhD. From all accounts I hear, the DBA there is more like a PhD here.

Looking at the Legatus list, Newcastle wins it hands down if one is considering prestige factor. It's a state school, ranks in the top 20 there, and has an external DBA program.

Is Legatus American? If so, what will the utility be of one Aussie school be over another here? Has anyone here in the hiring, or academic world, even heard of the schools listed? My guess is that they remain stealthy choices at this point. So, one might want to go for cost, the school's capability to help a person complete the program(support, motivation, course selections, etc), and the type of program one is interested in. Consider who might be on the doctoral committee...if that information can be known ahead of time.

So far, I have heard many good stories from Newcastle students. I have heard some negative, and positive, feedback about CSU. I hear some good things about Curtin but have not known anyone who kept at it to finish their PhD there(their PhD is all by research, too). Starting a PhD is worthless, although making the decision about the school can be tough. It's finishing that counts. Legatus should probably choose a school where he has the best chance to finish. He might take a look at Touro or Northcentral here, too. Their tuitions are not much further apart than the Aussie schools he is listing.

 

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Very good point. As a Canadian resident, both would be regarded as foreign but I would think that more eyes browes would be raised if the school is a pure online school like NCU. But I also would think that an american would be better off with a NCU PhD although some Australian schools like USQ are looking for AACSB accreditation what would make them more attractive for american students.


However, it depends, if one is already teaching at the community college in Canada and all you wanted is a pay increase then both of them would do the job. If one wanted to jump as a full timer into academia then a virtual school would make it harder but it would be still technically possible as long as the doctorate is accredited. I would think that a PhD from NCU with an accounting specialization would be able to find a job in Canada due to the fact that there are none available in the market as we speak, but I would think that finding a job in saturated fields like finance would be a real challenge.

At the end is about timing and market needs rather than the name of the school.

 

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When I see any 100% on-line program, brick and mortar or totally on-line school, grads start to make headway into academia then I'll turn my head. I don't really track academia but look at it once in a while to see if there are grads from various schools getting any teaching jobs. No real purpose in it. Just something fun to do.

 

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When I see any 100% on-line program, brick and mortar or totally on-line school, grads start to make headway into academia then I'll turn my head. I don't really track academia but look at it once in a while to see if there are grads from various schools getting any teaching jobs. No real purpose in it. Just something fun to do.

 

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The main issue with online schools is their lack of research facilites and full time faculty. The typical question when interviewed for a teaching position is where did you publish your dissertation work? Who was your supervisor? and where is the school and why did you decide to go to that school?

Virtual schools normally don't have publication requirements plus it is hard to explain to a hiring committe that the school only exists on the internet and although some facilities might be in place, the school doesn't really have research facilitites and full time dedicated staff.

Although this model might be accepted in the future, the B&M school offering online programs is a better choise when it comes to credibility of the program. I think that NCU would benefit from a partnership with a B&M school in order to make programs more credible, kind of the same thing as TUI is doing with TU in New york.

 

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What does a TUI student have to do with Touro College in New York, though? Specifically, does a TUI student have any interaction at all with Touro College? Are the TUI faculty the same faculty as Touro College?

Maybe some partnerships would be a good idea. How would you envision that working? Even with partnerships that schools have with brick and mortar schools it doesn't appear to be much from what I see...that they will accept credits from the other?

For the most part, a school like NCU already has many of the same faculty that are at brick and mortar schools now doing that research and publication. Thus, on the doctoral committee the student then has that experience and guidance for the disseration. Right? A case and point is NCU's Dr. Crake. He is a faculty mentor, doctoral committee member, and a full-time tenured faculty at Edith Cowan University.