MBA -w- CJ emphasis...is this limiting in the business world?

Hello all,

New question, at least from me.

If I have an MBA with a CJ emphasis and get out of law enforcement, will I have to list that my MBA has a CJ emphasis and will that be a limiting factor in private industry? If so, how is an MBA any better than a CJA?

Just curious......eagerly awaiting reply.

 

Frankly, I find an MBA with an emphasis in criminal justice to be downright odd; the same goes for a PhD in business administration with a specialization in criminal justice. Weird.

 

Frankly, I wouldn't see anything wrong with simply noting it on your resume as "MBA, Northcentral University" (or whomever else might be your alma mater).

 

More weird than an MBA in construction, an MBA in real estate, and MBA in statistics, or an MBA in public policy? Some top schools have these types of MBA programs, including Wharton(they don't have construction but do have the rest). Other schools do have an MBA in construction.

I would assume that the CJ field has it's business end with business verbage. So, why not an MBA in CJ? BTW, University of Louisville is just starting a new business administration program in computer and information security.

 

As a practicing criminal justice professional, if someone were to tell me that they have a MBA in criminal justice, I would have to do a double-take. It is unprecedented. "Weird" might be too strong of a description. No, on second thought, it's "just right."

Other then that one school that you just mentioned, can you show me any college or university in the United States that offers either:
1) MBA in criminal justice or
2) PhD in business administration with a specialization in criminal justice.

I didn't think so.

Maybe it will become a new trend?

 

certainly

http://www.saintleo.edu/SaintLeo/Templates/Inner.aspx?pid=4665
MBA in Criminal Justice

http://www.ncu.edu/university_information/dpro_det.asp?degree_program_id=19
MBA in Criminal Justice

http://www.online-degrees-source.com/MBA-Criminal-Justice.htm
MBA in Criminal Justice

There's three right there.

 

"Other then that one school that you just mentioned, can you show me any college or university in the United States that offers either:
1) MBA in criminal justice or
2) PhD in business administration with a specialization in criminal justice."


Ummm....I can. How about St. Leo and NCU and AMU and Touro......of course this is just off the top of my head and what I found on page 1 of a google.

It's out there...I'm just wondering what it's utility would be...

like would it be "useful" in private business AND Law Enforcement?

More useful in one than the other? etc.

Kind of like a MS in CJ probably won't land that sales manager job (using and example) but 'maybe' an MBA would.

I don't know. I'm asking you guys.

 

I got beat to the punch.

Anyways, back to the question...what's the utility here? A criminal justice degree that has applicability in the private business world?

 

Re: certainly

You provided one (1) example and that is from St. Leo. NCU doesn't count because it was already mentioned.

The MBA in fraud management from Utica is, indeed, a business degree. The courses are all business related. They teach a student how to see if the books are being cooked. That is not a criminal justice degree and no criminal justice courses are required. In fact, here are the required classes for that degree:

• MBA in fraud management:
  EFM 601 MANAGEMENT OF FRAUD PREVENTION AND DETECTION 3
  EFM 602 SEMINAR IN FRAUD MANAGEMENT 3
  MGT 501 CORE TOPICS IN MANAGEMENT I 6
  MGT 502 CORE TOPICS IN MANAGEMENT II 6
  ECM 507 QUANITATIVE ANALYSIS FOR MANAGEMENT 3
  ECM 603 MANAGEMENT FOR FRAUD PREVENTION AND DETECTION 3
  ECM 604 SEMINAR IN FRAUD MANAGEMENT 3
  
  Elective Courses
  ECM 535 LEGAL ISSUES FOR FRAUD MANAGEMENT 3
  ECM 621 ADVANCED FRAUD INVESTIGATION AND ANALYSIS 3
  ECM 641 MANAGEMENT OF INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION SECURITY 3
  ECM 642 RESEARCH IN ECONOMIC CRIME AND FRAUD MANAGEMENT 3
  ACC 601 SEMINAR IN ADVANCED MANAGERIAL ACCOUNTING 3
  ACC 602 SEMINAR IN PROFESSIONAL ACCOUNTING PRACTICE 3
  ACC 603 TAXES AND BUSINESS STRATEGY 3
  ACC 604 SEMNAR IN ASSURANCE AND FORENSIC ACCOUNTING 3
  ACC 504 PUBLIC SECTOR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT 3
  ACC 503 ACCOUNTING FOR MULTINATIONAL BUSINESS 3

That that is a true MBA. They are business-related classes.

 

I think you missed NCU.

Don't forget Touro

and AMU....why am I repeating myself.

Fact....it's there. Please don't hijack the thread.

Thanks.

 

I agree with Ted. I have had absolutely no problems with an MBA - CJ at work or teaching. In fact, I am now 3 credits away from 18 credits in a Management specialization as well.

 

"There's one born every minute." - P.T. Barnum

You asked about a MBA in criminal justice and while you might not like my answers, you’ll have to live with them. I’m a full-time cop with a BS in business management and a MA in criminology. As a practitioner and an academic, I still find it “weird” to have an MBA-CJ that only requires three business classes. Even more bizarre is a PhD in business administration with a specialization in criminal justice. What makes this particular program so bizarre is that it too only requires three business classes. In no way, shape, fashion or form is it a PhD in business administration. It is a PhD in business administration in name only and certainly not in substance. At best, they could be called a MA in criminal justice administration or a PhD in criminal justice administration.

The MBA in fraud management from Utica clearly isn’t a criminal justice degree; and it’s curriculum doesn’t have any criminal justice classes. So let’s not lump this degree program in with NCU’s MBA-CJ. It’s like comparing apples and oranges. Just for good measure, let’s look at the Utica curriculum again:

• MBA in fraud management from Utica:
  
  Required Courses
  MANAGEMENT OF FRAUD PREVENTION AND DETECTION 3
  FRAUD MANAGEMENT 3
  MANAGEMENT I 6
  MANAGEMENT II 6
  QUANITATIVE ANALYSIS FOR MANAGEMENT 3
  MANAGEMENT FOR FRAUD PREVENTION AND DETECTION 3
  FRAUD MANAGEMENT 3
  
  Elective Courses
  LEGAL ISSUES FOR FRAUD MANAGEMENT 3
  ADVANCED FRAUD INVESTIGATION AND ANALYSIS 3
  MANAGEMENT OF INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION SECURITY 3
  RESEARCH IN ECONOMIC CRIME AND FRAUD MANAGEMENT 3
  SEMINAR IN ADVANCED MANAGERIAL ACCOUNTING 3
  ACCOUNTING PRACTICE 3
  TAXES AND BUSINESS STRATEGY 3
  FORENSIC ACCOUNTING 3
  PUBLIC SECTOR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT 3
  ACCOUNTING FOR MULTINATIONAL BUSINESS 3

This degree program is from a quality school and it clearly has a quality curriculum. It is clearly justified in being called a MBA in fraud management.

My .02

 

I've always thought that a M.P.A. - Criminal Justice made a lot more sense than a M.B.A. - Criminal Justice, since the overwhelming majority of public safety agencies in the US are public, not private.

In either case, I'm not very comfortable. Both Business Administration and Public Administration are not behavioral sciences like Criminal Justice, Criminology, etc.

If I were in charge of hiring for a CJ faculty position, I would take the person with the M.A./M.S. in Criminal Justice/Criminology, every time, over the person with the M.B.A. in CJ.

 

Re: Re: certainly

You only asked for ANY other college. You wrote,

When you want 10 ask for 10, please. Point is that in a one minute google search I found 3 programs.

Bing

 

"You asked about a MBA in criminal justice and while you might not like my answers, you’ll have to live with them. I’m a full-time cop with a BS in business management and a MA in criminology. As a practitioner and an academic, I still find it “weird” to have an MBA-CJ that only requires three business classes."


meagain......you find it weird, thanks, got your answer...as for living with your answers... you got me, I'm backed into an intellectual corner I can't escape from...

What were we talking about again?

Oh yeah

Bruce, C.Novik and Ted...thanks for answering the actual question presented.

I've been working in law enforcement now for around 4 years, I am interested in eventually teaching in law enforcement.

Personally I am interested in the academic side of criminal justice and would like to continue a formal education in it and don't really have much interest in business, though a business degree does seem to have more utility.

I guess an MBA with at least 18 hours of credit in Criminal Justice would be more advantageous in the private world....however hopefully I will not be there anytime soon. I kind of like government work.

 

You're quite welcome.