Judging from this CSU press release, the CSU system has abjectly caved in and UC has succeeded (once again) in defending its turf. So apparently as most recently amended, there is no hope for CSU DBAs, Psy.D.s, or any of the rest. It's ironic that the original reason for the legislation was the fact that California licensing laws will soon require all new audiologists licensed in the state to have Au.D. degrees. There are already half a dozen masters level audiology programs at the CSUs. There's only one audiology program at a UC, and its run jointly with a CSU. There are no programs at California private universities. Presumably UC will receive additional funding to open up a bunch of new doctoral level programs in duplication of existing CSU programs that already successfully handle the state's needs. And despite their having to start from zero with absolutely no experience in the field, these new UC programs will immediately claim academic priority, I'm sure, just because they are God-almighty UC. It's wasteful political bullshit, pure and simple.
Re: Re: Cal State Doctorate and UC in Education It reminds me (on a larger scale) of a few years ago in Massachusetts, when some of the larger state colleges wanted to either become state universities (Fitchburg State University for example), or form a Massachusetts State University system, in order to award some narrowly-focused doctorates in education. The University of Massachusetts people reacted as if it were an attack on civilization as we know it, and the idea was quickly scrapped. As you said, political bullshit.
I graduated a couple of years ago from Cal State Hayward with an MS Ed in Online Teaching and Learning and they were talking about the possibility back then. I'd lke to see them offer an EdD along those lines.
There is a very simple solution to all these "University of XYZ vs. XYZ State University" turf wars. Establish once and for all time how many professors you need in a given department to offer a given degree. If a given group, be they public or private, can round up "a" number of professors in the fields they propose to offer, they may start calling themselves Friendly Neighborhood Local Community College and offer one-year certificates . With "b" number of professors in a given department, they may offer associate's degrees. With "c" number of professors in any given department, they may offer bachelor's degrees and with "c" number of professors in all departments, they may promote themselves to Friendly Neighborhood Local College. With "x" number of professors in any given department, they may offer master's degrees and with "x" number of professors in all departments, they may promote themselves to Friendly Neighborhood Local University. With "y" number of professors in any given department, they may offer doctorates and with "z" number of professors, they may offer post-docs. Once this is established once and for all time, there would be no doubt about who could offer what degrees and, hence, no political bullshit.
