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    I quit my job as a Corporate Engineer for one of Canada's largest manufacturing distribution companies. I haven't decided where I will work next at this point. I just want to relax for a year and think through my options. Education is one area I'm fond of and might consider teaching . The other choice is consulting in which case I don't care where my credentials come from as long as they include an Engineering title on the CV.

    I have done extensive work in the U.S. and would consider something South of the border too. My options are wide open at this point.

    I haven't picked a thesis topic yet (for UNISA/DCom) and my second choice is the DBA/PhD at NCU.

    Plenty to think about over the summer! I would like to challenge for the MCGI at IIE this fall.

    That's it!
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    Re: City & Guilds - Engineering

    Originally posted by morganplus8
    Hi everyone!

    I haven't heard much about the C & G prospects for those trying to further their advancement in Engineering in North America. I have read every post on this site re" C & G in the past but I was wondering what has become of those who tried to advance their engineering careers via this route?

    I applied as a qualified engineer to the C & G and was given a LCGI diploma, I was also told to consider challenging for the MCGI because I hold a Masters degree as well (MBA ). I was wondering what else I could do with the LCGI in the US or abroad, has anyone managed to promote themselves to a professional qualification or perhaps into a Masters of Engineering course?

    I'm looking for anything new happening at C & G!

    Thanks,
    MP
    A friend with LCGI diploma - US AS degree equivalent was accepted in to Hawaii Pacific University .
    HPU fully recognized his LCGI award.

    American Society of Certified Engineering Technicians / Technologists recognizes the award for Certified / Registered Member status.



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    Thanks for your post Learner,

    If you could tell me more about your friend, how did he acquire his LCGI and what is/was his educational background?

    I'm contacting the ASCET group on Monday to learn more about registration and additional possibilities.

    Thanks,
    MP

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    My friend grew up in another country, there he studied electtronics
    and computing from 10th grade to 12th grade and he graduated wiith high school certificate from vocational highschool.

    he joined Air force in his country and studied as a cadet almost for a year ( 13th grade ) he was qualified as a Technician in telecom systems, later in the military he served 5 years advancing in ranks, managerial responsibilities and qualifications of technicians, he sttudied short and long term classes to get higher grade - level of technician.

    After discharge all he had was the technician - Air force diplomas and 5 years experience with letters of recommendation.

    He had taken some additional classes from open university and undergraduate certificate in micro computers .

    After that he was in the corporate high tech world, working as an Field engineer , Systems Engineer and passed many company based training, certifications etc.

    Realizing some 10 years after the discharge that the competition is harder and not having formal AS, BS degree holds him back wile on the other side he achieved a practice manager level in professional practice - consulting company.

    He applied to City and Guilds for LCGI in electronics and management.

    C&GI requested as a pass in order to be even considered o provide as an entry an NVQ 3 or equivalent education .

    My friend had to send all his educational certificates etc to NARIC
    UK, after long time he was awarded with NARIC evaluation as having NVQ3 equivalent education .

    this was sufficient for entry in to consideration for LCGI by C&GI.
    He applied and got the LCGI ( level 4 in UK - NVQ 4 as a Full Technolgical Certtiificate or Diploma).

    Later he obtained a brochure of equivalent classes for such a
    designation, he also applied to City and Guilds for Full Technological Diploma. - this is a minimum requirement for IEng by IIE UK were he is registered as IEng.

    Now he had his LCGI evaluated by NACES member agency with other certificates he applied to HPU and was accepted as mature
    entry in to two final years of Bachelors degree program.

    As far as ASCET they list on their web site the certifying awarding bodies that they recognize and City and Guilds is one of them.
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    Additional info


    Academic recognition
    To help candidates undertaking City & Guilds Diploma or Advanced Diploma awards to proceed to
    higher education in the UK, City & Guilds makes every effort to ensure that maximum recognition is
    given to their qualifications. City & Guilds has, therefore, negotiated with universities the recognition of
    the Diploma and Advanced Diploma qualifications as meeting the levels of skills, knowledge and
    understanding required for entry and exemption from parts of relevant degree courses.
    British universities increasingly operate modular degree programmes which enable candidates to gain
    exemptions from parts of the courses which they have already covered. A system of credit rating
    operates. Our Advanced Diploma awards generally receive a credit rating of 120 units. Candidates
    interested in progressing onto higher education in the UK should contact the universities directly or make
    contact through the British Council. Please ask for our lists of university recognition for specific
    qualifications.

    Universities outside the UK

    In general terms, and for the purposes of recognition, an LCGI or FTC/, Advanced Technician Diploma award from City
    & Guilds can be equated with an Associate Degree. A similar level of recognition is given by some UK
    universities for the two awards. For further details please contact the individual organisation.
    Representative universities and higher education institutions outside the UK include:
    Hawaii Pacific University
    164 Bishop Street
    Suite 200
    Honolulu
    HI 96813
    USA
    C&G awards with a grade of 'credit' or higher.
    Inter-University
    Institute of Macau
    ITUM
    RUA Central No 111
    Macau
    853 970323/4/5
    853 970327;
    http://www.dislogo.ucp.pt/IIUM
    Pacific Western University
    1210 Anahi Street
    Department 137
    Honolulu
    HI 96814-4922
    Tel: 800 423 3244 x137; uk - 0800 960 413
    Fax: 310 471 6456
    http://www.pwu.com
    Dean - Academic Affairs
    Perth Institute of Business and Technology
    Perth Western Australia
    Claremont Campus
    Edith Cowan University
    Goldsworth Road
    Claremont
    Western Australia 6010
    The Perth Institute of Business and Technology will
    consider holders of the City & Guilds LCGI, Technician
    Diplomas and Advanced Technician Diplomas for
    entry into their Degree linked programmes. Contact
    the Perth Institute for details.
    The IRI Group and City & Guilds International

    have an Asia-wide partnership that will allow
    graduates of City & Guilds programmes with
    appropriate experience to complete an
    undergraduate or graduate degree. IRI is working
    with Charles Sturt University, Australia, to make
    an MBA programme available to Asia. The MBA
    has been jointly designed by Charles Sturt
    University for the Asian environment and can be
    completed in 16 months.
    City & Guilds graduates keen to pursue the CSU
    MBA , or the Bachelor of Business, Bachelor of
    Information Technology and Bachelor of Business
    Studies programmes should contact:

    Recognition of City & Guilds Awards in United States and Canada
    There are many instances in which holders of City & Guilds awards make successful use of their
    qualifications in employment in the United States and Canada.
    In general terms, and for the purposes of recognition, an Advanced Technician Diploma award from City
    & Guilds can be equated with an Associate Degree. Additionally it is known that City & Guilds
    qualifications in subject areas such as Teaching and Culinary Arts (Chef) are recognised in the US, and
    individuals make successful careers based on their qualifications. Within the traditional crafts, the City &
    Guilds award in Creative Studies (Embroidery) is accredited for university course credits towards the US
    bachelor's degree – exemplifying the level of recognition obtained in the US for City & Guilds Level 1
    and Level 2 awards.
    There are considerable differences between the pattern of vocational education and training in the United
    States, and that prevalent in the United Kingdom and elsewhere in the world where use is made of City &
    Guilds certification programmes. In addition City & Guilds, as a major international credentialing
    organisation, certifies achievement in a wide variety of occupational areas and at different levels. As a
    result it is difficult to make generalizations regarding the recognition that will be given to individual
    certificate holders. They may need to apply to state or local agencies as well as professional associations
    to receive recognition for certification and a license to practice. For these reasons it is often helpful for an
    evaluator to review an individual's achievements in order to establish an equivalence for continuing
    education or employment purposes in the United States.
    The organisations listed below have indicated familiarity with City & Guilds certification, through
    existing clients. They are supported by City & Guilds through the provision of continuing and updated
    information about its awards. It is the responsibility of the individual contacting these organisations,
    however, to determine the appropriateness of the service they provide.
    American Society of Certified Engineering
    Technicians
    ASCET Office
    PO Box 1348
    Flowery Branch
    GA 30542
    USA
    ASCET recognizes City & Guilds certification in
    engineering disciplines for Certified Member status.
    CCTT gives credit for City & Guilds technician and
    other awards, covering engineering and construction
    subjects, towards its own examinations and
    membership categories.
    The Canadian Council of Technicians and
    Technologists (CCTT)
    2-285 McCleod Street
    Ottawa K2P 1A1
    Canada
    The organisations listed below have indicated
    familiarity with City & Guilds certification, through
    existing clients. They are supported by City & Guilds
    through the provision of continuing and updated
    information about its awards. It is the responsibility
    of the individual contacting these organisations,
    however, to determine the appropriateness of the
    service they provide.
    Educational Evaluators International Inc,
    P O Box 5397
    Los Alamitos
    CA 90721
    USA
    Senior Evaluator
    World Education Services Inc,
    P O Box 745
    Old Chelsea Station
    New York
    NY 10113-0745
    USA
    Evaluation Services Inc,
    P O Box 1455
    Albany
    NY 12201
    USA
    Chairman
    National Association of Credential Evaluation
    Services,
    C/o ECE
    P O Box 17499
    Milwaukee
    WI 53217-0499
    USA
    Level Qualification Equivalent to
    7 Fellowship (FCGI) Doctorate
    6 Membership (MCGI) Masters' degree
    5 Graduateship (GCGI)/Associateship (ACGI) - NVQ 5 1st degree - BS BA etc.
    4 Licentiateship (LCGI) Full Technological Certificate/Full
    Technological Diploma, Advanced Technician Diploma - NVQ 4
    1st year of UK university - 2 years US University.
    bachelors' degre Evidence of successful,
    recent work experience
    Managerial experience


    3 - Advanced Diploma, Technician Diploma, Pitman Qualifications Professional/Level 3
    NVQ 3
    GCE advanced level
    University entrance
    Supervisory skills
    2 - Diploma, Technician Certificate, Pitman Qualifications Advanced/Level 2
    NVQ 2 - Able to work independently
    in a particular job

    1- Certificate, School Leaving Qualification
    Pitman Qualifications Intermediate
    NVQ 1
    Preparation for work
    Can work with supervision
    Entry
    Pitman Qualifications Essential
    First qualification for life
    long learning

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    Lerner!

    I'm reading each word you have written very carefully here, I have a question about this statement:

    "Later he obtained a brochure of equivalent classes for such a
    designation, he also applied to City and Guilds for Full Technological Diploma. - this is a minimum requirement for IEng by IIE UK were he is registered as IEng.

    Now he had his LCGI evaluated by NACES member agency with other certificates he applied to HPU and was accepted as mature
    entry in to two final years of Bachelors degree program."

    Where did he obtain the brochure of equivalence for classes, did he submit this brochure and his LCGI to the NACES group for approval and did they only look at the brochure and his LCGI diploma when making their report? I have the LCGI too, got it from NRP equivalence of my educational background. I would like to challenge for a IEng position next and I'm wondering what the best way is to proceed. What is the requirement for a Full Tech. Diploma? What did he have to submit aside from the LCGI?

    Thanks!

    I have filled out my application for ASCET and Emailed them for payment, thanks to you!

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    Quick update:

    I've just received confirmation from the General Manager that I will be "inducted into the ASCET, based upon my LCGI title, there will be no problem", this is great news!

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    Originally posted by morganplus8
    Quick update:

    I've just received confirmation from the General Manager that I will be "inducted into the ASCET, based upon my LCGI title, there will be no problem", this is great news!
    Congratulations!, did you apply for Certified member grade?

    I sent your questions to my friend.
    From what I remember is LCGI is equivalent to Full Technological Diploma - this is International Vocational Qualification with defined corriculum and requirements.
    the same is for Advanced Technician Diploma they all are on Level 4 or 4+.

    You don't get GPA but pass / fail results and holding LCGI its like having pass on all the classes for the FTC/D.

    I will have more info once Yefim writes back to me or I talk to him.

    Now what I called broshure is actually official C&GI Syllabus for what this programme consists.

    Example Electronics Engineering Technology

    Syllabus areas:
    Engineering fundamentals
    • Electrical and electronic applications
    • Electrical and electronic assignments
    • Computer aided communication
    • Electrical power
    Electronics
    • Advanced electrical principles
    • Control systems and applications
    • Distribution and utilisation of electrical energy
    • Generation and supply of electrical energy
    • Micro-electronic circuits and systems
    • Electrical plant and equipment
    • Advanced mathematics

    Method of assessment is by:
    Multiple choice and short answer question papers plus practical assignments.
    Note: The Full Technological Diploma (FTD) is available to those who successfully
    complete this programme (or the appropriate mix of 8030 and 8030 (2000)).

    LCGI = FTD they are quivalents on the same level.

    FTD and HND are good for entry in to IEng.


    A Full Technological Diploma (FTD) is only awarded on the basis of City & Guilds new Technician
    awards and equal to lCGI. These can easily be recognised because all the awards include the titles Diploma and Advanced
    Diploma.

    The completed application form and all attachments should be addressed to:

    Manager
    International Operations (FTD)
    City & Guilds (WS1)
    1 Giltspur Street
    London
    EC1A 9DD
    United Kingdom


    Full Technological Diploma Application Form


    INSTRUCTIONS: Please complete this form in CAPITAL LETTERS IN INK to apply for a Full
    Technological Diploma. The appropriate fee must accompany each request for a Diploma. Please read the
    following notes before completing this form.

    CANDIDATE NAME (Write your name in CAPITAL LETTERS as you wish it to appear on the Diploma.)


    ADDRESS (This is the address to which the Diploma will be sent.)
    .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....
    .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....
    .................................................. .................................................. Country ........................................

    Date of birth Please tick appropriate box
    _ _ / _ _ / _ _ Male
    Female
    I am applying for an FTD in the subject stated below.

    I am entitled to the above Full Technological Diploma due to success in the following

    Title of Award Level Date of Award Name of Centre where examination was
    taken
    DIPLOMA
    ADVANCED
    DIPLOMA

    I enclose
    1 Photostats of Diploma and Advanced Diploma Certificates.
    2 Portfolio of Evidence including

    2.1 Summary of relevant work experience.
    2.2 Letter from each employer confirming claimed work experience.
    2.3 Curriculum Vitae (CV).
    2.4 Details of two professional referees (Name, Address, Status) whom I understand will be contacted.
    2.5 Details of courses or other professional development/training undertaken (if appropriate)
    .
    3 A cheque/banker’s draft for £75 (pounds sterling) payable to City & Guilds.
    Signature .................................................. ............................. Date .................................................
    .


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    AACRAO- Evaluation of International Educational Credentials

    This evaluation is for: Further Education , Employment, and Professional
    Licensure.


    "The applicant received membership in the Institution of Incorporated Engineers in 2004, and received the title of Incorporated Engineer . Education , training, and experience are required in order to obtain membership as an Incorporated Engineer .

    Registration as an Incorporated Engineer is a professional qualification, and is comparable to that of a person licensed to practice engineering in the United States."

    "The applicant also submitted a Graduateship from the City & Guilds of London Institute. The City & Guilds of London Institute is an independent body incorporated by royal charter in the United Kingdom.

    It offers a wide range of technical examinations, which, in the United Kingdom, are equated to academic qualifications. The Graduateship award is equated to the National Vocational Qualification Level 5.

    For employment purposes in the United Kingdom , the Graduateship is considered comparable to a bachelor's degree from British universities.

    Acceptance of this qualification as comparable to a US bachelor's
    degree would depend on institutional policies of US institutions
    regarding recognition of work experience and experiental learning."

    "Recommended level of study in the U.S.- Master's as exception to standards."
    Certainly confirms the status and potential utility of both the IEng and the GCGLI qualifications - on the world scene.

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    The Engineering Council (UK) Examinations
    LCGI
    Advanced Technician Diploma
    Technician Diploma
    Holders of a LCGI or an Advanced Technician Diploma are eligible to
    register at the Graduate Diploma level of the Engineering
    Council Examinations.
    Holders of a Technician Diploma are eligible to register at
    Certificate level.


    Institution of Incorporated Engineers (IIE)
    LCGI
    Advanced Technician Diploma
    Technician Diploma
    The Institution of Incorporated Engineers (IIE) welcomes
    applications for membership from holders of a LCGI or an Advanced
    Technician Diploma or a Technician Diploma.
    Subsequently, those who apply for registration with the
    EC(UK), Individual Case Procedure (ICP) is applied. This
    requires that the intending registrant provides details of
    the content of the courses undertaken and the
    performance or outcome attained, in each case.
    A holder of a Technician Diploma is normally eligible to
    become a member of IIE (MIIE), and may subsequently
    register as an Engineering Technician (EngTech) once
    competence and commitment requirements have
    been satisfied.

    A holder of a LCGI or an Advanced Technician Diploma is also
    normally eligible to become a member of IIE (MIIE), and
    partially satisfies the educational base requirement for
    registration as an Incorporated Engineer . A holder of this
    award who undertakes further learning - equivalent to the
    final year of a relevant Bachelor’s degree - will be eligible to
    register as an Incorporated Engineer (IEng), subject to ICP.
    A successful Professional Review of competence and
    commitment is also required.
    Note:
    Accredited qualifications do not require the holder to be
    assessed through ICP. However, under the terms of its
    license from the EC(UK), IIE cannot accredit qualifications in
    isolation, only at the invitation of a college or University
    where the qualifications are delivered. Negotiations have
    also started in an effort to agree a suitable set of criteria to
    make the accreditation of City & Guilds awards much more
    straightforward.
    Institution of Incorporated Engineers
    Savoy Hill House
    Savoy Hill
    London
    WC2R 0BS
    England UK
    T +44 (0) 20 7836 3357
    F +44 (0) 20 7497 9006
    www.iie.org.uk

    Recognition List
    Awards and IVQs in Telecommunication Systems
    (2730) Jan 2006 - EU Bulgaria
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    Hello again Lerner!

    You certainly are up to speed on this program! I did apply for the Certified Member status and decided to send the "General Manager" a quick Email to ask him/her if I could pay via VISA as I didn't want to gamble on a money order if I was not eligable for Cert. Member status. To my surprise, he has little to do on a Sunday like me and he responded right away with a "no problem", that I would be inducted into the membership as "certified".

    This is great news and my member dues cover 16 months too, as my timing couldn't be better, re: their fiscal yearend.

    I would like to know more about how your friend managed to get a copy of the curriculum and a statement of "pass" so that I could send this information off to the IIE. I think I understood that you needed to show some background on the LCGI in order to receive IEng status. Not sure if I have this right or not! Anyway, I would like to fill out the IEng forms and send them in ASAP to see if I can convert my LCGI to IEng soon. Do I have to obtain a FTD from C&G and then apply this against the IEng challenge?

    Thanks for all of your help, much appreciated!

    MP

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    my friend will be flying to London for his GCGI interview.

    the additional classes he took at Open university helped him to qualify for IEng.


    Now he is at HPU 3ed year Undergrad degree program even if he gets his GCGI. he wants to gain new knowladge and enjoy the university life in Hawaii.

    IIE is merging with IEE to form IET on March 31 so you may want to write them and ask what should you do.

    I think your canadian credential may be all you need pluss the LCGI

    once Yefim provides additional info I will post it here.

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    LCGI is comparible and on the same level as FTC
    City & Guilds Full Technological Certificate

    This is taken from IIE web site

    http://www.iie.org.uk/becoming/index...page=987657333

    Academic Requirements

    To meet the educational base requirements for IEng registration, the exemplifying qualification is an accredited IEng degree as shown on the EC (UK) website.

    Other qualifications which can be considered include:
    City & Guilds Full Technological Certificate
    BSc/BEng/ Open University Degrees: profile requirements
    Partially accredited HNC/D + further learning
    HNC/ HND/ TEC Higher
    Engineering Council Exams
    Associate of Mining (Electrical & Mechanical Engineers )
    Joint Committee HNC/D
    BBC 'C' Course combined with Part 2 C&G Certificate
    BBC 'C' Course combined with National Certificate
    Professional Experience

    Applicants for registration as an Incorporated Engineer will need to demonstrate competence to perform technical activities in a wide range of complex and non-routine tasks with substantial personal autonomy. They may also be sufficiently experienced to develop others in that technical activity. Applicants will be required to complete a Professional Review including interview. The time taken to achieve this level of competence may vary considerably between applicants. As a guideline, it is unlikely that an adequate range of training and experience will be acquired in less than three years.

    Download full competence and commitment statements for Incorporated Engineer registration.
    Alternative Routes to Registration

    The Sydney Accord is an agreement between signatory countries to recognize academic awards for those candidates seeking registration as an Incorporated Engineer or equivalent within any of the territories within the Accord.

    The Technical Report Route (TRR) is an alternative route to registration as an Incorporated Engineer for those who do not possess the exemplifying academic awards but have gained the competence and commitment through their experience to compensate for the shortfall in academic requirements and can demonstrate knowledge to degree level.
    IEng is vocational/professional qualification its not an academic degree but a qualification on the level of Bachelors degree.

    In some countries the vocational qualification may be more important for employment purposes than the degree.
    But in my view they go together and studying for degree and earning professional/vocational qualifications is the winning formula.
    Many UK universities offer qualifications during the learners path tho a degree, so students are encouraged to apply for lCGI wile they are in their second year in university.

    Learner



    Last edited by Lerner; 03-06-2006 at 07:37 PM.

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    By the way do you know what is your level in national Qualification Framework UK.

    NQF was revised with additional levels added - 1 to 8 now.

    Level 4 and level 5 were extended.

    For example GCGI is first honors degree comparable in UK - in
    NQF it is level 6H - H - honors.

    LCGI - level 4 is now I think level 5 of NQF I - Intermediate - Foundation Degree - AS comparable.

    but actually LCGI and GCGI are more than just academic degrees equivalent qualifications they contain a Training and Professional Experience in addition to Academic Education .

    This is why they are called Sr Awards and respected by the Employers and Universities.

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    Originally posted by Lerner
    By the way do you know what is your level in national Qualification Framework UK.

    NQF was revised with additional levels added - 1 to 8 now.

    Level 4 and level 5 were extended.

    For example GCGI is first honors degree comparable in UK - in
    NQF it is level 6H - H - honors.

    LCGI - level 4 is now I think level 5 of NQF I - Intermediate - Foundation Degree - AS comparable.

    but actually LCGI and GCGI are more than just academic degrees equivalent qualifications they contain a Training and Professional Experience in addition to Academic Education .

    This is why they are called Sr Awards and respected by the Employers and Universities.
    When you say "AS comparable", are you reffering to "Associate of Science" comparable or are you referring to "AS level ( ie halkf an A level) comparable"?

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    Originally posted by JamesK


    When you say "AS comparable", are you reffering to "Associate of Science" comparable or are you referring to "AS level ( ie halkf an A level) comparable"?
    Associate Degree in USA from RA university or college.

    Universities outside the UK
    In general terms, and for the purposes of recognition, level 4 award such as LCGI or Advanced Technician Diploma award from City & Guilds can be equated with an Associate Degree. A similar level of recognition is given by some UK
    universities for the two awards. For further details please contact the individual organisation.

    There are considerable differences between the pattern of vocational education and training in the United
    States, and that prevalent in the United Kingdom and elsewhere in the world where use is made of City &
    Guilds certification programmes. In addition City & Guilds, as a major international credentialing
    organisation, certifies achievement in a wide variety of occupational areas and at different levels. As a
    result it is difficult to make generalizations regarding the recognition that will be given to individual
    certificate holders. They may need to apply to state or local agencies as well as professional associations
    to receive recognition for certification and a license to practice. For these reasons it is often helpful for an
    evaluator to review an individual's achievements in order to establish an equivalence for continuing
    education or employment purposes in the United States.
    The organisations listed below have indicated familiarity with City & Guilds certification, through
    existing clients. They are supported by City & Guilds through the provision of continuing and updated
    information about its awards. It is the responsibility of the individual contacting these organisations,
    however, to determine the appropriateness of the service they provide.

    Educational Evaluators International Inc,
    P O Box 5397
    Los Alamitos
    CA 90721
    USA
    Senior Evaluator
    World Education Services Inc,
    P O Box 745
    Old Chelsea Station
    New York
    NY 10113-0745
    USA
    Evaluation Services Inc,
    P O Box 1455
    Albany
    NY 12201
    USA
    Chairman
    National Association of Credential Evaluation
    Services,
    C/o ECE
    P O Box 17499
    Milwaukee
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