The PhD Project, AACSB and DL

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  1. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    Interesting program:

    The PhD Project

    http://phdproject.com/phd3.html

    I think the following is an excellent example of how AACSB schools view DL:

    http://phdproject.com/phd4.html

    Emphasis mine.

    Unless I am missing something someone doing a DL AACSB doctorate is considered inferior to a full time student in the US.

    The program has some impressive sponsers:

    http://phdproject.com/phd6.html

    States that only a bachelors degree is required to enter a AACSB PhD program:

    http://phdproject.com/phd4.html


    Just my opinion
     
  2. qvatlanta

    qvatlanta New Member

    As usual, no one includes Asian-Americans on the list. Everyone wants us to get less education :rolleyes: . On the whole I do think it's a bad idea for that organization to so wholeheartedly reject part-time and online programs. It would seem a lot more effective to say something like

    "If you are seriously considering teaching at the university level as a tenure–track professor, you should attend a full-time doctoral program at an AACSB accredited business school (see Supporting Universities.). However, part-time and on-line programs can also lead to excellent teaching positions at many colleges and universities."
     
  3. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    I agree.

    But why bother with an AACSB PhD in the first place?

    Looking at the Entrepreneurial Management dept of Harvard University I find the following professors.

    I didn't even look at the entire list! Some of the professors do not list the school they graduated from.



    Harvard University

    http://pine.hbs.edu/external/unitsShow.do

    Entrepreneurial Management

    Teresa M. Amabile
    Edsel Bryant Ford Professor of Business Administration
    Teresa Amabile is the Edsel Bryant Ford Professor of Business Administration, Head of the Entrepreneurial Management Unit, and Faculty Chair of the Arthur Rock Center for Entrepreneurship at Harvard Business School.

    Originally educated and employed as a chemist, Dr. Amabile received her Ph.D. in psychology from Stanford University in 1977.


    Marcelo Bucheli

    Marcelo Bucheli is Newcomen Fellow in Business History at Harvard Business School. His research is focused on the effects of politics in the multinational corporations’ corporate strategy when operating in the Third World. He received his Ph.D. in history at Stanford University in 2002


    G. Felda Hardymon
    Professor of Management Practice

    Felda graduated from Rose Polytechnic Institute with a degree in mathematics. He attended Duke University where he earned a Ph.D. in mathematics,




    Nancy F. Koehn
    James E. Robison Professor of Business Administration

    A Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Stanford University, Koehn earned a Master of Public Policy from Harvard's Kennedy School of Government in 1983. She worked as a congressional aide before receiving her MA and Ph.D. in European history from Harvard University in 1985 and 1990, respectively.




    Joseph B. Lassiter III
    MBA Class of 1954 Professor of Management Practice

    Joe began his career at MIT's Department of Ocean Engineering as an Instructor in 1970 and was promoted to Assistant Professor in 1972. He developed and taught a course on marine mineral resource economics. He lectured in hydrodynamics, marine transportation, and computer simulation modeling. In a joint program with Harvard Law School, he lectured on marine legal / regulatory policy. His research focused on forecasting economic and environmental consequences of offshore oil and gas development. He was appointed to the MIT-led National Academy of Engineering study on the future of engineering education. Joe received his BS, MS, and PhD from MIT and was awarded National Science, Adams and McDermott Fellowships. He was elected to Sigma Xi.



    Laura L. Nash
    Senior Lecturer

    A member of Phi Beta Kappa, Ms. Nash received her B.A. magna cum laude from Connecticut College. She received her M.A. and Ph.D. in classical philology from Harvard University under a Danforth Fellowship


    Sincere congratulations to the Professors listed above. Shows what ability and determination can accomplish even if one doesn't have an AACSB PhD!

    Wonder how many holders of AACSB PhDs these Professors beat out to get their position? Marcelo Bucheli received his PhD fairly recently in 2002! I certainly would consider Harvard a "dream job."


    Just my opinion
     
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  4. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Entrepreneurship is basically what some might call the little red-headed bastard step-child of the Schools of Business Administration. As of 1992, when I finished my MBA in Entrepreneurship, I was only able to find four traditional bricks & mortar PhD programs in Entrepreneurship, those being the University of Calgary, the University of Colorado, Saint Louis University, and the University of South Carolina. Hiring for entrepreneurship faculty is highly dependent on whether you have a track record of actually doing entrepreneurship and whether one has master's and doctoral degrees in entrepreneurship (or indeed any business field) tends to be a secondary consideration.
     
  5. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Many Schools of Business Administration, at least those at the big PhD-granting schools, will require an "AACSB PhD in Business Administration" as the union card that needs to be punched for a full-time tenure track assistant professorship. Technically, there are no "AACSB PhDs" because the AACSB only accredits associate's, bachelor's, and master's programs, but that's okay, we'll just let the B-School deans remain blissfully unaware of their own ignorance. But, yes, the guys with their full-time B&M "AACSB PhDs" in Business Administration tend to look down the schnauzes at those with mere humble DL PhD degrees in Business Administration. It's one of those academic chain of arrogance things, as in, "My PhD's better than yours ... Neener, neener, neener!"
     
  6. dst10spr97

    dst10spr97 New Member

    I attended this conference.

    I attended the PhD project conference. Excellent conference. They focus on groups they consider underrepresented in business academia (African Americans, Native Americans, and Hispanics). They also focus on those who attend full time programs. They give great support through mentoring and other information throughout the program. Even though I will not be attending a traditional full time program, they still have been a wonderful source of information since I attended the conference back in 2000.
     
  7. Andy Borchers

    Andy Borchers New Member

    Carlosb - the point that you may not be considering is the caliber of the education these folks have. Business schools frequently include folks from other disciplines - psychology, math, history, etc. who do not have doctorates from AACSB b-schools. However, these folks have very strong credentials. MIT, Harvard, Duke and Stanford aren't known for graduating ordinary folks. Also, note that some of these people have positions as lecturers and probably won't receive tenure. They may be brought in for an inter-disciplinary perspective. This is especially true in Entrepreneurial Management as opposed to a traditional business discipline like accounting.

    My sense is that the top AACSB schools are looking for top quality faculty. DL grads typically don't qualify, often due to the caliber of their research.

    In answer to another concern posted elsewhere - from my experience many of the best b-school faculty members have both academic and practitioner backgrounds. It isn't an "either or" situation.

    Regards - Andy



     
  8. Denver

    Denver Member

    Carlosb:
    “Looking at the Entrepreneurial Management dept of Harvard University I find the following professors.”

    When I was at Harvard – schools of business and government – I had three MDs as professors. I often wondered if I was being educated or treated. One of my professors of entrepreneurship at the business school, John Kao http://www.johnkao.com/ was an MD. He later went on to write a book on business creativity and its relationship to music.
     

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