Ye Olde Knightsbridge

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  1. bing

    bing New Member

    ourstreet.com calls Knightsbridge a diploma mill...http://www.our-street.com/ugho.htm

    However, Indiana University-Purdue University-Indianapolis doesn't seem to have the same view. Their fire chief has his BS in Fire Protection Engineering from Knightsbridge... http://www.ehs.iupui.edu/ehs/TomHulse.asp

    Since this job is not academic maybe it makes no difference to the school. I noticed that the bio highlights Knightsbridge for the BS but not the BA. Very honest. He does have some solid certifications for the position, too.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    KU degrees like all diploma mill degrees base their utility primarily off the fact that sometimes bogus degrees pass for real degrees. It is said that a diploma mill degree is like a time bomb. It could blow up at any time but the holder doesn't know when.

    The sad part of this story is that the same seems to be true for real unaccrediated degrees, only in reverse. For example do a Google search on CCU (California Coast University). This was an unaccredited but reasonable school. However, when it was discovered by many individuals to be unaccredited then the holder of the CCU degree is accused of having a diploma mill degree. A Google search will find multiple instances of this.
     
  3. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    The "Hulse" last name has a long history in Indiana and at Indiana University. I could be wrong, of course, but it might be (depending on his connections) that he could have had that position even if both his degrees had been from mills...

    ...and were in "underwater basketweaving," to boot.

    (sigh) :rolleyes:
     
  4. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    I don't know anything about politically powerful families in Indiana but it is entirely possible that this man "earned" his Knightsbridge BS after he obtained his current position. In any case, he should have paid a few bucks more and gotten the Masters degree.
    Jack
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I especially love it, for some reason, when diploma mills bestow the BS degree.
     
  6. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Okay... I'll bite: Why? I mean, I can intuit some interesting/funny reasons -- maybe even the one you're going to provide in response -- but it's easier to just ask. So, why?
     
  7. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Ha! That's a good one. :D

    So... here's what I'm wonderin' now: I sweartogod I won't be the one to do it, but how long do you think it will be before someone emails Rich Strong and outs him? And, if so, will it matter?

    Just curious.
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    When bestowed by a diploma mill, BS means something different to me than Bachelor's of Science.
     
  9. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Ah... the play on words angle. Okay, I didn't intuit that. I made it more complicated than it needed to be... as usual.

    ;)
     
  10. bing

    bing New Member

    Well, he does have about all the certifications necessary to have a job like that I would think. What's the worst they would do? Just take off the Knightsbridge? Especially so if it is true that Hulse is a high faluting name at IU.



     
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I have inquired to IUPUI regarding this matter. I will post their response, if any.
     
  12. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Actually, I emailed Hulse back when this thread was fresh and asked him if he understood what could happen (and then kinda' explained it). No reply. Can't say he wasn't warned. Whatever happens now is on him.
     
  13. Tom H.

    Tom H. New Member

  14. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Well, the cows in Indiana can't tell time, but the people seem smart enough. Knotbritches doesn't stand a chance.
     
  15. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Doctoral degrees and Indiana law

    Indiana law forbids the use of unaccredited doctoral degrees during "consumer transactions". However, the present case does not appear to involve "consumer transactions", so it probably does not apply. The law is presumably directed at people who questionably claim the title of "doctor" for marketing purposes.

    IC 24-5-0.5-12
    False claim of doctoral degree
    Sec. 12. (a) It is an incurable deceptive act for an individual, while soliciting or performing a consumer transaction, to claim, either orally or in writing, to possess a doctorate degree or use a title, a word, letters, an insignia, or an abbreviation associated with a doctorate degree, unless the individual:
    (1) has been awarded a doctorate degree from an institution that is:
    (A) accredited by a regional or professional accrediting agency recognized by the United States Department of Education or the Council on Postsecondary Accreditation;
    (B) a religious seminary, institute, college, or university whose certificates, diplomas, or degrees clearly identify the religious character of the educational program; or
    (C) operated and supported by a governmental agency; or
    (2) meets the requirements approved by one (1) of the following boards: [list of state medical-related boards follows]
     
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  16. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Re: Doctoral degrees and Indiana law

    And of course, the Indiana law does not apply in this case because the claimed degree is a BS and not a doctorate. Missed that somehow.
     
  17. Kirkland

    Kirkland Member

    Re: Re: Doctoral degrees and Indiana law

    Indiana law apparently disregards national accreditation as well.
     
  18. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Knitwitsbotch and its defenders, summed up

    "incurable deceptive act"
     

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