Touro University International's Phd in Business Admin?

I came across Touro in my search for a DL PhD program and it appears to be a legitimate and regionally accredited university that is 100% non-resident. I did some research and know its part of the Touro College in New York and so on. It has kind of an odd set-up since the international university is in California and the main campus is in New York? I’m curious about the school since it did not appear on John Bear’s Bear-approved list of DL doctorate programs. Any thoughts or comments on this program would be welcomed.

 

Yes the parent is the college and the branch campus is the university and the degree is from the branch campus which essentially means you have PhD from a RA cyber-university.

Tread cautiously.

 

I am a Ph.D. student at TUI. The program is highly recommended and RA accredited. The degree clearly mentions (branch campus of Touro College NY).

I fail to understand the recommendation "tread cautiously"! Capella University is at the top of Dr. Bear's list and it is a "Cyber University".

I would like to know Dr. Bear's opinion on this subject and specifically about Touro University International.

Regards,
Eli

 

Please readers, ignore the last sentence.

Ike

 

Hi Eli,
You should ignore statements that tantamount to bigotry because bigots will always remain stiff-necked, no matter how hard you try to reason with them. Bigots will continue to adduce that US DL is anything but good so as to satisfy their melancholy. They believe firmly in the opinion they espouse, so you cannot make them see the other side of the coin.

Ike

 

Lord knows I don't agree with everything Lewchuk says*, but if I'm reading this correctly he does have a points:

1) The prestige of the degree (which is correlated with its utility) will likely be [much] less than that of a University with both residential and distance programs


I'd like to add to this:

2) RA assumes a level of financing that tries to ensure that the school will not close up shop next year if the economy goes bad. Since TUI (not Union ) is a virtual campus of an RA program, they don't necessarily have this money in hand. Thus if times get tough, there is less stopping Touro from shutting down or cutting loose the graduate division. While this is not that different that a grad school that might shut a program down, when a school shuts a program down, it often lets the remaining students complete, while when a grad school shuts down.......

My take is that TUI will be granting RA PhDs, but not prestegious PhD. If a run-of-the-mill PhD will be fine for you (for example if you need the PhD to fill in a box, but you will be hired mostly based upon other acheivements like exception research, great job history etc) then Touro should be a fine school.


* Although I must say, I find his scepticism on the ranking and relative utility of some degrees to at least be transparent and somewhat reasoned, while certain others seem to be mostly engaging in ad-hominem replies.

 

Since I have some time...
There have been numerous articles in the press raising awareness of the rise of cyber degree "factories"... virtual universities which, while RA, have very low standards and often fairly high price tags. Unless you are certain these schools will meet your objectives, and are aware of the risks, you are best advised to look elsewhere.

Lets, for a moment, digress to Golden Gate University. GGU has a branch "cyber campus". The courses offered by the "cyber campus" are the same ones offered at the GGU "bricks & morter" campuses. The professors, curriculum, etc., are also the same as the bricks & morter campuses. Finally, the degree you will earn will be the same as the bricks & morter students... a degree from GGU. You have a very good chance that, although taken via DL, your degree will be as respected as any GGU degree.

Now lets look at TUI. TUI degrees have no relationships to the programs at Touro College. I am unaware of any relationship between the professors / advisors at TUI and those at TC. I don't beleive you will have any contact with any TC faculty or advisors. Finally, the degree you earn will not be from TC... it will be from TUI. I think it is not unreasonable to suggest that a TUI degree will not piggy-back off TC very well and that it may well be categorized among the other cyber-degree "factories".

As Gerstl notes, TUI is obviously RA so if any accredited degree will meet you needs then go ahead. However, if you are trying to get the most prestigious degree available you should be aware of the risks involved and how they might compare with alternatives.

 

Since when does Bear Rank schools?

 

Isn't this how AED died?

To make you feel better, I will comment on a great US DL program... California State Dominquez Hills Humanity program.

A traditional state university.
Offered via parallel instruction... you study the same curriculum as the campus based students.
The degree earned is the same as the campus based students.
Reasonable cost.
A set curriculum but with a reasonable amount of flexibility.
The program competes favorably with any of the "foreign" alternatives I am aware of.
Not a "prestigious" university but a very solid credential.

 

I am working on my Touro MBA.
Great program.

Email me for details...
[email protected]

 

Since at least 1980. In BGs 6, 7, and 8 various forms of rankings appeared. There is talk of doing this again, but not with schools. Rather, sources of accreditation/authorization/approval would be weighted and reported, based upon research conducted by John and I. If it happens.

Rich Douglas

 

No. You are totally wrong. It was not my challenge of anti-Americanism views that killed AED. To be fair to you, neither you nor I had anything to do with the demise of AED. For the record, it was the endless unwarranted, unsubstantiated and ill-motivated attack by one spammer who posted under the pseudonym of “factwatcher” that killed AED.
Lewchuk, I have no choice other than to say that you are trying again to feed wrong information to readers about the cause of demise of AED.

Ike

 

What killed a.e.d. were the endless OT posts and personal attacks that had nothing to do with the subject(s) at hand. What permitted a.e.d. to be killed was that it was not moderated, so such behavior was unchecked. Thankfully, we have a different environment here. I would urge the moderators to take a strong stance against this nonsense; it's already getting out of hand. Don't be persuaded by free speech arguments by those who would deny just that to others.

My rule: don't allow a comment to remain posted that the poster wouldn't dare say directly to someone's face. These things are cowardly and distasteful, and have no place in civil discourse.

The opportunity to communicate with others is a privilege--not a right--granted to you by those other people. Face-to-face, one can turn away. E-mail can be filtered. Here, the ONLY way things can be kept civil is through vigilant moderation. Anything short of that will turn this board into graffiti.

Those that object should consider their own behavior.

Rich Douglas

 

Wow, this is interesting!

 

Hmmm... Interesting. I do have a question, however. What value, utility or benefit does a prestigious brick and mortar Ph.D. program have to a great many of us who are practitioners or well established in our careers and wanting to continue our academic growth and participation in the areas of research, theory building, and improvement of consulting skills?

If a person has no intention of dismissing his or her current career and income in favor of attending a prestigious university campus, or does not have one geographically accessible on a regular basis, then such a degree program has zero value in terms of utility or benefit to that individual.

Accordingly, a good DL program that is RA, reputable, and affiliated with a brick and mortar may be the best opportunity for a large percentage of us that are capable and experience individuals. Other quality RA DL programs may good alternatives too.

From my experience as a freshly minted Ph.D., I see nothing but praise and recognition from the many Fortune 500 customers and clients that I have direct interface. Additionally, I've been welcomed into the academic community and asked to review other research, speak and present my research, write chapters for books, and teach courses at both colleges and universities. Both my associates and acquaintances that earned Ph.D.s from renowned universities have applauded my academic accomplishment, complemented my research and fully accept me as an equally credentialed colleague. Most have commented about the additional value they see in having the experience to go with the academic degree.

Although I'm certain that some of the traditionalist and pure academics (many that have not set foot in the real business world) may be highly critical, I tend to favor and rely on my direct knowledge and what I have experienced first hand. For those who are adamant that only programs from prestigious brick and mortar schools are useful for the masses and that all other DL programs have largely diminished utility and value, I will be happy to compare job offers, pay stubs or cumulative earnings over the years--at least with the vast majority of them.

Not all of us (perhaps a majority) are driven to drop our careers and stand in line to teach at a renowned brick and mortar. Accordingly, the value and benefit for many far exceed filling in a box on a form. Already, I've found a great deal of utility and value from earning my TUI Ph.D., and I do not regret for a moment participating in program or the great deal of effort it took to earn the degree. In fact, with my TUI Ph.D., I will be continuing my previous career and teaching too!

One size of shoe does not fit all; neither does a prestigious brick and mortar Ph.D., or any other degree program for that matter.

Tom

 

Notice the data of this thread (2001!) ... and
note that Lewchuck was a old 'troll' who would
make postings merely to stir up the waters.

Truth and accuracy were optional ... B-)

He <and his other log in names> have been
long gone for some time from the board.

Happy 4th of July to those in the USA.

Billy

 

Great catch!

 

Thanks all.... I'm still learning and finding my way around the discussion board.

Tom

 

Well said. THere are many obscure schools that have unrecognized names. People who really care about the legitimacy of a degree check out the regional accrediting agency. There IS bias in traditional colleges because they are threatened. The managers at McDonalds will not say that the Whopper is just as good as the Big Mac. When it is all said and done. DL will be main stream. Those who chose TUI will be at the top of the DL heap, and glad they chose the program. My prediction is TUI will be the first "cyber" school to attain AACSB accredtation.....although I Nova Southeastern will give them a run.

Incidently, what do they call a graduate for the PhD program at TUI? The same as the graduate from Harvard.....Doctor!


If Napoleon Hill can achieve so much success with an honorary doctorate in chiropractic science, I damn sure can do it with an excellent RA PhD..

Keep Truckin Dr. Esch-BTW Dr. Eveland showed a photo of your defense at the last HL session of BUS 609...I am getting pumped.