Regarding Medical College of London

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  1. dlmed

    dlmed New Member

    I read with dismay the falsified comments made by Galanga about Montserrat and the Medical College of London. Galanga is well known to represent an unaccredited medical school in the UK, and has had numerous names in the various forums. I would like to correct the misleading statements made by Galanga for the benefit of the readers, who deserve accuracy in such contributions to the forum.

    Montserrat suffered from a moderate intensity volcanic eruption nearly 10 years ago, the only active eruption to occur there in hundreds of years. The volcano has been inactive since, but has become a major source of tourism for the Island Nation with some 250,000 visitors to date. It is clearly not a threat to the health or safety for the Island population or the commerce of the Nation. The UK has done very well to protect the residents, and the total population has nearly doubled since 1996, including many from other countries who have come to Montserrat for employment. Most of the Island has now been reopened, and earlier this year Princess Anne from the UK dedicated the opening of a new airport for the Island Nation which will further help their tourism and redevelopment.

    There are 3 medical schools licensed in Montserrat. Why pick on only one ? They are all public record, and all fully licensed and authorized to grant degrees.One has approximately 500 students in attendance. The University of Science Arts and Technology has the largest and most well developed campus of the 3 schools, and is located on a major estate in the North West of the Island overlooking the Caribbean to the West, far from the former volcanic activity and safely protected by a mountain range. It does not sound like a serious threat to me.

    Medical College of London is fully registered and accredited. It is not a UK University, is not commissioned under the name of the Crown, and has never proclaimed itself to be a UK Institution. It is merely registered in the UK with a license elsewhere, just as many Universities and other academic Institutions are (i.e., the University of Phoenix, the University of Maryland in Europe, Fairleigh Dickinson University, and many others). As is the customary for the other foreign Institutions operating in the UK, Medical College of London does not grant degrees, as it is a College of a larger University established elsewhere that does. There is nothing misleading about the program. Neither Medical College of London or USAT offer any distance learning programs, but applicants who have completed parts of their education via DL are given equal access to higher education by the University and its Colleges.

    The University does not post the names of individual faculty on its web site, as it honours the privacy act. It does, however, authenticate the credentials of all applicants, administrators, and faculty, so as to insure the validity of the credentials submitted and of the academic programs delivered.

    Galanga's comments are innacurate and appear to be self serving. They violate the conditions for submission as stated on the agreement for submission of such information to the site ('By posting messages at Degreeinfo, You agree, through Your use of this service, that You will not use Degreeinfo to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.'). Galanga's comments should be stricken from the record. We believe them to be knowlingly false by the originator of the comments. The conditions for submission to degreeinfo were violated and deserve correction.

    Thank you for your kind attention to this matter.
     
  2. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Get ready for it...

    Oh, boy... is this gonna' be good.
     
  3. galanga

    galanga New Member

    Originally posted by dlmed
    I read with dismay the falsified comments made by Galanga about Montserrat and the Medical College of London.

    Please enumerate the "falsified comments." I haven't a clue what you believe to be falsified.

    Galanga is well known to represent an unaccredited medical school in the UK...

    That statement made me laugh so hard that I nearly fell off my chair. So I have two questions for you:

    1. What is the unaccredited school to which you refer?
    2. It is known by whom that I am its representative?

    I would like to correct the misleading statements made by Galanga... Montserrat suffered from a moderate intensity volcanic eruption...

    I do not recall mentioning the volcano in my posts, and am glad to hear that it is now thought to pose little hazard to visitors.

    There are 3 medical schools licensed in Montserrat. Why pick on only one?

    USAT says it "is accredited by the Central States Consortium of Colleges and Schools for Higher Education in the USA." This is an unrecognized accreditor, but you already know the details about CSCCS, and its connection to Breyer State and Canyon College.

    They are all public record, and all fully licensed and authorized to grant degrees.

    This appears to be untrue in the case of MCL, although please post the information you have about the source of the authority to grant degrees.

    Medical College of London is fully registered and accredited.

    CSCCS is not a recognised accreditor. I would not agree with your identification of a CSCCS credential as an "accreditation."

    The University does not post the names of individual faculty on its web site, as it honours the privacy act.

    That is not what a legitimate university does. Upon its faculty rests the foundation of its educational legitimacy. To show potential students that the university is capable of providing an education it is important to air the identities and qualifications of the professors. Even a fair number of diploma mills show the names of their (pretend) faculties!

    Galanga's comments are innacurate and appear to be self serving.

    I await with amusement your list of inaccuracies, as well as information about "my" unaccredited medical school.

    They violate the... [TOS]

    Ding-Dom-You're Wrong.
     
  4. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    At one point, all but the northern tip of the island were evacuated. The latest map on the island Governor's website shows that approximately half the island remains an exclusion zone, including the island capital of Plymouth.

    http://www.montserrat-newsletter.com/archives/riskmap3.jpg

    With whom and by whom?

    The University of Science, Arts and Technology has been complaining about the school's failure to get a WHO listing and accusing the Montserrat island government of "bungling". The island government forwarded the application to Geneva, but the WHO wanted the island Governor to sign it because Montserrat is a British dependent territory. The Governor forwarded the request to London, who apparently have put off-shore medical school approvals on hold until some kind of accreditation mechanism can be created to oversee them.

    http://www.themontserratreporter.com/archives/2004/september/24News/local/story1D_02.htm

    Yet it does call itself 'Medical College of London'. Here in California, it's a widely held belief that London is the capital of the United Kingdom.

    What privacy act is that? Montserrat's? British universities routinely list their faculty.
     
  5. dlmed

    dlmed New Member

    galenga comment

    Been there, done that, I stand my ground. Your comments are erroneous and misleading. Get a life !
     
  6. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    Done what, exactly? Four guesses, lemme see........

    - Provide zero factual statements or nary the slightest scintilla of evidence that your so-called "Medical" College of London is legitimate? - Yes.

    - Shill for an unwonderful school, an unaccredited entity claiming a fake and illegitimate accreditation, a fake medical school with shadowy figures and ephemeral diploma mill con-artists? - Yes.

    - Make more pronounced the virtual certainty that you are a mill shill who cannot stand to be exposed in broad daylight? - Yes.

    - An inarticulate mill mouthspeak who does not know the difference between making an assertion (that statements made by the good professor, Dr. "Galanga," are errorneous) and providing verifiable data or proof to back up said assertions? - Yes.

    ...... on fairly deep and inexorably fast sinking quicksand? - Yes.

    "Get a life?" This is a blast!

    Do you have one, dlmed? A life, I mean? The life of a mill shill must be so full of excitement for you (and your cohorts) to be frequenting Degreeinfo posting nonsense and expecting sincere DL degree/education seekers and learners to take at face value, the empty, unverifiable words of a lame protester?.

    You get a life!

    Or better yet, get some real facts and evidence before you come back in here, hoping that said facts and evidence will assist you and your henchmen to more effectively answer the many and very serious charges levelled against you and your fake and fraudulent "Medical" School of London.

    All of you shills and shysters - watch the diploma mill "time-bomb" strapped to your shilling backs. The authorities WILL, one day soon, get to deal with you if you do not repent and mend your ways.

    Did you see/read this , dlmed?

    Thanks.
     
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  7. galanga

    galanga New Member

    Re: galenga comment

    dlmed, your pants are burning.
     
  8. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Liar, liar, pants on...

    Don't count on him to get that one. Well... okay... maybe he will now... now that I've given him some help.

    So... wait... lemmee make sure I understand this. "Been there, done that" is your response to galanga's reasonable requests that you expand a bit more on the specific accusations you have made, and the things about MCL that you have posited? You actually perceive this to be a mature response? My, how quickly you go from an argument that at least appeared to bear the signs of civil discourse, straight to the functional equivalent of an adolescent's "whatever!" What... are you like... 14 or something?

    So now you're Martin Luther? You peceive there to actually be something admirable or courageous in this inappropriate declaration under these circumstances?

    Yeah... you said that already... in your thread-starting post. We got it. All galanga's asking of you, in reply, is that you actually back up what you've written with... oh... I dunno... some facts maybe. Is that too much to ask, dlmed? Your "reasoned" response to that completely reasonable request -- the one you'd like others here to read and use as a means to be impressed with you -- is "been there, done that?" I mean... really?

    Isn't it interesting how this phrase, sometime in the late twentieth century and now continuing into the early twenty first -- somehow became the clarion call of all persons (or at least alot of them) who get busted being foolish and/or stupid and who've run out of anything meaningful to say about it.

    I once bought-in to a motel some years back (big mistake, by the way) that had had a bit of a reputation in that town as a place where drug dealers, prostitues, pimps, johns, troublemakers, and other such low-lifes and hangers-on tended to mill about. I hired a new security guard (making sure he had no drug problems, and had a clean criminal record, and was from a town 30-something miles away so it would be unlikely that he'd know anyone at the motel... and paid him extra for the mileage, of course) and told him what to watch for and to radio me whenever or if ever he saw any of those sorts of thing... and I mostly just stayed in one of the rooms and watched TV, or wrote software, or dozed-off, etc., and occasionally made my own rounds throughout the night.

    Did that all night, every night, for weeks... until the place was so safe that you could leave your car unlocked in the parking lot. In the process, I ran up against some of the meanest, most dangerous people I've ever seen... and being from Gary, Indiana, I thought I'd already seen the meanest and most dangerous people. I had guns pulled on me; guys (and women) take swings at me; I got spit on; I got food thrown at me; had a psycho guy about twice my size run toward me as fast as he could from thirty feet away with an 18-inch machete he'd bought in the camping section as Wal-Mart and try to decapitate me ((but failed... obviously)... the whole nine yards.. and then some.

    But being a pretty big guy who's mastered the art of bluff (and who knew how to give that bluff teeth when it had to be done), I threw quite literally hundreds of punks and idiots off that property -- many of them bodily and in a way I intended to scrape and bang 'em up pretty good.

    And do you know what nearly every last one of those crack-smoking, meth-using, gun-toting, tough-guy-wanna'-be, waste-of-human-flesh cowards would say to me just as soon as they were far enough down the street that they were pretty sure I wouldn't come after 'em (and/or were pretty sure they could get away if I did)? Yep! You guessed it: "Why don't you get a life?"

    Er... well... that was one of the things they would say. Most of the rest of what they said I can't repeat here.... but I'm sure you get my drift.

    But my experience with that phrase -- and the people who tend to use it, as well as those who have had it used on them -- is that it absolutely never has the hurtful meaning to the recipient that the utterer had in mind when s/he embarrassed himself/herself by daring to say (or write) it. Never. All the recipient feels, usually, is pity for whomever so ran out of anything intelligent to say or write that that phrase -- and maybe some expletives to go along with it -- was pretty much all they had left.

    Ladies and gentlemen, let's cut to the chase, here, so that the poor reader new to these fora, and/or who may be unaccustomed to these little skirmishes, will not be forced to keep reading just to figure out what's going on:
    • dlmed is what we call a "mill shill." A mill shill is someone who signs-up in this forum expressly for the purpose of making one or more postings here in which s/he extols the virtues of unaccredited (which, by the way -- "unaccredited," I mean -- in and of itself, is not necessarily a bad thing, I should point out) diploma and/or degree mills. Shills usually have some kind of financial interest in such nefarious places (i.e., they sell bogus degrees) or, if they don't, then they're holders of degrees or diplomas from such places and, of course, they want the world to think their credential is legitimate. There's probably a third category of shill: People who are just nuts. There are plenty of those who come around here now and then, too. dlmed could easily be one of those weirdos, too. Who really knows... or cares.

      At any rate, sooner or later, after they've shown themselves to be unreasonable and abusive and intentionally misleading and, therefore, potentially harmful to readers who come here to learn, people like dlmed get thrown outta' here by the moderators. And so they end-up in one of the other, competing distance education forums floating around out there wherein anyone can (and usually does) say pretty much anything -- no matter how unimaginally awful -- about anyone; and where any visitor to such places who has half a brain can quickly see that the posts there are written by people who spend their time calling names and making-up stories and wishing godawful bad things upon most of the regulars in this forum.

      dlmed is typical of these swine. The reader is cautioned not to believe a single word s/he says here... or anywhere else for that matter, either, now that I think about it. Give not a single word or sentence of the thread-starting post even one, tiny bit of your attention or credence.

      Instead, trust members here like galanga who are involved with, or who are on staff at, or who are on the faculty of real, colleges and universities... along with a number of others here who maybe aren't, but who have legitimate degrees from such legitimate institutions and who routinely go out of their way to give meaningful, useful, truthful, helpful, and ethical advice to those who come here in search of useful information.
    There. That, I think, pretty much sums it up.

    Let's now see what happens next. Go ahead, dlmed... sit down at your keyboard and give it your best shot. But do try to see if you can do better than you've done thus far... else pretty much all we'll have to look forward to is "so's your mother!"
     
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  9. galanga

    galanga New Member

    but he writes well

    One thing to say in dlmed's favor is that he writes well: his prose holds an intelligent balance of short and long sentences, good use of parallel construction, and so forth.

    But I still would like to know the name of my unaccredited medical school.
     

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