Decisions, Decisions Touro or NCU

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  1. belljar681

    belljar681 New Member

    Greetings to the Board,

    I have enjoyed the insight and discussions as I begin my final journey in academia. I have read and could now use some pros & cons.

    Issue: I am a tenured instructor at a community college in CA. I got my Masters from Capella 03, and after a short break, ready to take the plung to a doctorate in education.

    Dilemma: I have been accepted to both Touro (thanks again to the board for keeping up to date regarding accredidation issues) and NCU. Capella was just too expensive, and NSU residency would have been costly.

    Utility: The degree will give me a salary bump, and I would like to teach online as well. It is something that will as korny as it may sound, complete me.

    Therefore: I don't need the PhD the EdD would suit me just fine, however, Touro'e format claims that I can complete the course work within 18 months and complete my dissertation (albeit research based and defend) vs. NCU EdD would be an applied dissertation (no defense)

    Sorry if I'm being long winded, but Touro begins Monday, and I have 30 days for NCU. Pros, cons or any other comments are welcome.

    Thanks!

    Don

    B.S. Southern Illinois University
    M.S. Capella University
     
  2. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Question on:

    Can you elaborate more on the latter? I have never heard of a doctoral program with a dissertation that does not have to be defended.
     
  3. belljar681

    belljar681 New Member

    Decisions, Decisions Touro vs NCU

    Quote:
    Can you elaborate more on the latter? I have never heard of a doctoral program with a dissertation that does not have to be defended.

    From the NCU website regarding the Ed.D.


    The Ed.D. Research and Dissertation:

    Many individuals who pursue an Ed.D. are intimidated or overwhelmed at the thought of producing a dissertation. The School of Education has developed a logical step-by-step process that assists you in completing your Ed.D. dissertation. NCU provides you with a detailed Ed.D. Dissertation Handbook that explains the process and NCU's dissertation support structure. The Ed.D. doctoral research courses, the comprehensive course and the dissertation courses (8, 3-credit courses) are specifically designed to guide you through the process.

    The dissertation is the capstone academic achievement of the Ed.D. The Ed.D. dissertation is applied, project based and results in a product designed to produce appreciable improvements in the Learner’s school or organization and must also impact the Learner’s leadership growth. Although applied and project based, the Ed.D. dissertation is a scholarly document. To earn the Ed.D. you must demonstrate the ability, drive, and determination; and NCU will provide the faculty mentors, the academic support and process to assist you to reach your high academic goal. No oral defense is required for the Ed.D.


    Thanks!

    Don

    B.S. Southern Illinois University
    M.S. Capella University
     
  4. jaymba

    jaymba New Member

    NCU = Flexibility

    I'm in the same situation but chose NCU because they offer more options/concentrations and provide more flexibility. I am looking at the Org Leadership concentration and like the fact that I can start a session at the beginning of any month. Touro is cheaper and if that matters, you might want to consider it. For me, being able to work at my own pace is best for me. Also, I am not sure Touro provides any books with their program and I think any Ph.D or Ed.D candidate would prefer to flip pages during readings and research than clicking and scrolling up and down on a PC...just my opinion.

    Lastly, the dissertation process is a little different at NCU (no defense) and if you believe it might bother you too much, Touro is the way to go. Wont be a problem for me.
     
  5. simon

    simon New Member

    Re: NCU = Flexibility

     
  6. jaymba

    jaymba New Member

    Re: Re: NCU = Flexibility

     
  7. rryan

    rryan New Member

    Touro

    I'm just completing the coursework portion of my PhD at TUI. I will have all the courses done in 20 months, then move on to the dissertation phase.

    I've taken 2 classes per quarter (which is probably the norm) and have not taken any time off.

    I don't think I could have reasonably done it any faster with my other responsibilities. I have heard of people taking 3 classes, but that would have been insane for me- maybe without a job and family.

    Having said all that, I'm pleased with TUI and don't have any regrets of starting the process. I say that as someone who will be paying for the degree themselves.

    Take care,

    Reggie
     
  8. rryan

    rryan New Member

    TUI experience

    I'm just completing the coursework portion of my PhD at TUI. I will have all the courses done in 20 months, then move on to the dissertation phase.

    I've taken 2 classes per quarter (which is probably the norm) and have not taken any time off.

    I don't think I could have reasonably done it any faster with my other responsibilities. I have heard of people taking 3 classes, but that would have been insane for me- maybe without a job and family.

    Having said all that, I'm pleased with TUI and don't have any regrets of starting the process. I say that as someone who will be paying for the degree themselves.

    Take care,

    Reggie
     
  9. belljar681

    belljar681 New Member

    Touro or NCU

    Reggie,

    Thanks for the insight. Like you, I will be paying my way and I was looking at a 18-20 month time frame to complete my course work.

    I'm still doing the math (time and money with NCU)


    One last question, were you able to complete modules taking two courses at a time without being overwhelmed? I'd like to take two courses at time as well.

    Thanks again.

    don
     
  10. rryan

    rryan New Member

    TUI experience

    Don,

    Two classes were manageable. I've got two young kids a day job and I teach one night a week at the local community college.

    I do manage to have time with my kids, however do not have any other free time- no TV, movies, strolls on the beach or whatever. I try to wake up around 4:00 every morning and put in an hour or so of studying before work.

    At work I manage to sneak in some research time, and then put in another hour or so at night. On the weekends I do the same. Any free time is also used for school work.

    TUI runs by 2 week modules. Doing two classes at a time means you'll have essentially 4 papers due at the end of that 2 week period (about 20 researched pages- more or less). The second week is usually crunch time as you need to pull together all your research and produce. I normally try to knock off 2 papers a week.

    You load depends on your comfort with the classes. Stats kind of kicked my butt, as well as getting a couple of classes together that really demanded I cover material I was unfamiliar with.

    Other quarters are a little bit easier, especially as you get to be a better student. I've become good at managing my time. I've got a pda with all my coursework downloaded on it. I pull that out and read at any chance. Stuck in traffic- I try to dictate a paragraph. Doctor's office- time to revise a paper.

    Once you get into the swing of things you find yourself learning more than you thought. TUI does not ask you to take any Mickey Mouse classes. They expect you to produce and give you direct, straight forward advice if you don’t. The extent of your education is a direct result of your effort and TUI seems to go to any length to match your demands as a student.

    Reggie
     
  11. Harijan

    Harijan New Member

    I concur with Reggie and recommend TUI'S straightforward approach (without the burden of additional books I might add). To me it seems like a no fluff approach to education.

    However, my wife, who is an educator is fascinated with NCU because it offers courses more inline with her discipline: curriculum.

    I would recommend reviewing both programs and then selecting based upon your allowable time, cost, and how closely each one matches your overall reasons for obtaining the advanced education.

    tooodles! good luck
     
  12. Eli

    Eli New Member

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  13. Eli

    Eli New Member

    For what its worth... it took me four years to complete TUI's Ph.D. in Business Admin. (coursework and two oral defenses). Highly recommended. Great boost to my career.

    Eli
     
  14. Carla Ross

    Carla Ross New Member

    Which to choose TUI or NCU

    I too have the same issue. So far I have really enjoyed NCU. I am in classes at NCU for a Phd in Business, but the withdrawal from the title IV program is an impossible situation for me. Therefore, I am seeking another school. I have looked at many schools, is NCU and TUI the only schools out there with out a residency requirement? (with the proper accreditation). I like what I saw about TUI. TUI (Touro College) is accredited. Touro International Unviersity is a division of Touro College so it seems that Touro College would confer the PHD. Touro College has locations all over New York and locations is Nevada and Russia. Does anyone know anything of their reputation?
     

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