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Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by JDLLM, Mar 17, 2005.

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  1. JDLLM

    JDLLM member

    nosborne48.....you are one of the very few credible individuals
    posting and here...........I never have had any issue with anything you say.......I know your an ABA J.D. graduate and a practicing
    attorney and you are working on your London based LL.M degree
    and my hat is off to your counselor.

    You have excellent credentials and actually are quite humble about it and I respect that very much about you.

    DesElms........ however...............apparently has No J.D. degree and No LL.M degree and thus zero credibility on the subject matter at hand.

    Anyone can quote verbatim what is published somewhere in writing but as any lawyer knows its not black and white..........if it were just a matter of black and white and what is written somewhere.... lawyers would not exist since no argument of fact or interpretation would exist.

    DesElms.......you might have bamboolzed some in here but not me.....I didnt get to where I am today.....listening to someone argue about the facts of a J.D. degree or an LL.M degree who himself doesnt even have the degree.........

    Geez give me a break....even the law students in here or potential
    law students arent fooled anymore by your crap.

    Put that in latin and smoke it!
     
  2. wcitizen

    wcitizen New Member

    VA Bar Exam - Foreign LLB okay?

    All,

    Can anyone explain the following? Does it mean that the Virginia State Bar will accept a foreign LLB if the person also graduate with an LLM from an approved ABA law school in Virginia?

    Does it also mean that a non-ABA JD + LLM from an Virginia ABA Law school will qualify one for the VA Bar exam?


    Thanks.

    Jim

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    An applicant for a Virginia Bar Examination shall:

    Have received a degree from a law school approved by the American Bar Association, or the Board; or

    Be enrolled and in good standing in any such approved law school and, in the course of regular study, complete ALL degree requirements prior to the time such examination is given; or

    Have been approved by the Board and thereafter completed the required period of law study as set forth in the Law Reader Program Rule and Regulations of the Virginia Board of Bar Examiners.

    An applicant who has received a portion of his or her legal training in a foreign law school is also required to have received a degree from an American Bar Association ("ABA") approved law school, and if such degree is other than the LL.B. or J.D., the applicant shall furnish a certificate from the dean, assistant dean or acting dean of an ABA approved law school in Virginia that his or her foreign legal education, together with his or her approved law school degree, is the equivalent of that required for an LL.B. or a J.D. Degree in such dean's law school. In addition, such applicant must furnish to the Board evidence of his or her foreign legal degree and of his or her degree from the ABA approved law school.
     
  3. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Huh?

    So... wait a minute, JDLLM... help me, here...

    Your reason for starting a completely new, identically-named thread...

    ...when you were getting summarily pasted in the old one was... what again?

    So I guess I did discover your achilles heel, there after all, eh? Else why would you start this thread so you wouldn't have to answer any more questions in that one?

    Just askin'



    As I read what you've posted -- and that's all I'm going by, since I haven't examined the Virginia bar web site and really dug into it -- yes... provided the LLM is, indeed, included in what Virginia intends by the term "ABA-approved" and the phrase "degree is other than the LL.B. or J.D." The ABA says it isn't. Period. But Virginia may (and by its use of the phrase "degree is other than the LL.B. or J.D.," probably does) disagree. Keep reading...

    Again, as I read what you've posted -- and that's all I'm going by -- unless the non-ABA-approved J.D. is from a law school approved by ... "[or] the Board" (i.e., unless the board has specifically approved the non-ABA-approved school and placed it on some list of state-approved-but-non-ABA-approved schools somewhere); or unless said school is described in the "Law Reader Program Rule and Regulations of the Virginia Board of Bar Examiners" (which, of course, it's not) then I'd say, at best, maybe.

    It says a degree from a law school "approved by the American Bar Association, or the Board," but it doesn't specifically say what kind of degree (i.e., whether it's a specifically J.D. or an LLM). Since the LLM would appear, to be okay for foreign students who have a foreign LLB or JD, I'd say it's quite likely that an LLM from a law school whose JD is ABA-approved might just do it.

    But this whole thing harkens back to what I wrote in the other thread (but which JDLLM clearly doesn't want the reader to stumble upon, as evidenced by his having started this whole new thread... weirdly), wherein I pointed out that the ABA doesn't approve anything but the J.D. and specifically not the LLM... no matter what.

    At the same time, as JDLLM correctly pointed out in the other thread (but with which seems to be unwilling to acknowledge my agreement -- just for spite, I guess... I dunno), many people consider any LLM to be "ABA-approved" if it is issued by a law school whose J.D. is ABA-approved... even though the ABA expressly states that that is not so. And, after all, shouldn't the ABA be the final authority over what it approves or doesn't?

    So we get into a difference between what the ABA prescribes, and what really happens out there, in actual practice.

    If the Virginia bar interprets ABA approval precisely as the ABA intends it in what it wrote here, then, no, an LLM wouldn't do it.

    If, on the other hand, the Virginia bar interprets it as JDLLM insisted in the other thread -- and I should point out that he may very well be right about that -- then, yes, an LLM from a law school whose J.D. is ABA-approved just might tip it in.

    Based on what you've posted here of Virginia's rules, and nothing more, if someone put a gun to my head (which, no doubt, JDLLM would be first in line to do) and forced me to opine, all things considered, I'd guess (and it would only be a guess) that the LLM -- provided it's from a law school whose JD is ABA-approved -- would do it (atop either a foreign LLB or JD; or atop a non-ABA-approved U.S. JD, that is).

    But, you know... you really need to write to the Virginia bar and get a formal, written interpretation... making sure, of course, to formulate your question such that the subtleties you're trying to navigate are clear and will, therefore, be adequately covered in the answer.
     
  4. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Why would someone make fun of someone else being able to use Latin?
    This is a distance learning board, innit? You gotta problem with learning, pip?
     
  5. JDLLM

    JDLLM member

    Same Ol Latin Phrase

    Uncle Janko.

    Cuz DesElms..............uses the same latin phrase everytime...talk about complusive Obsessive Behavior...
    its just plain lame.........and POMPOUS

    Different if he came up with some original each time...........but he doesnt....kind weird if you ask me
     
  6. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Re: Same Ol Latin Phrase

    They're part of my signature, for godsake. Go into your user control panel; then click on Edit Profile. See that "Signature" thingy? Some -- most, actually -- forums require that everyone create a signature of some kind... and many have fairly strict rules about what can and cannot be in one's signature.

    You thought I manually typed that stuff every time?

    :rolleyes:
     
  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Virgina might make the same distinction that Nebraska makes, that is, a foreign law degree may be acceptable while an unaccredited American J.D. may not be. This isn't unknown; the argument is that the foreign degree needs to be recognized by the Bar of its country of origin.

    Now WHY they draw a distinction between, say, a Canadian LL.B. (Nebraska's case) and a CalBar accredited J.D. is anyone's guess. Politics, probably.
     
  8. wcitizen

    wcitizen New Member

    Thanks Nosborne. So it sounds like a British LLB (by correspondence) and an LLM (by correspondence) from an ABA law school may be acceptable for admission by exam in Virginia?

    That was how I read it too. A non-ABA JD is not okay, but an LLB by the correspondence recognized by UK would be acceptable.

    Jim
     

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