What BIG schools don't meet the "criteria"?

After filling my brain with everyone's ideas and opinions on what is right and wrong with most schools let me ask a simple question.

Are there schools out there that do not fall into RA / DETC / State / CHEA / etc etc.and are NOT a mill that we never talk about?

The same schools it seems get bounced around like a bad dodge ball game......

I hope I'm clear with my question......

 

Yes, of course. There are way too many diploma mills and non-CHEA/non-USDoE-recognized mushroom schools to ever shake a stick at. They personify the whack-a-mole syndrome.

To wit: You whack 'em here, they is appearing over there, sure is no way to track 'em all down and identify them and to whack them... Oh no, mon English ..... es no good .... maybe es from unaccredited school or diploma mill?

We need a new TV reality show: $1 million each week awarded to the one who can come up with a comprehensive list of all unaccredited schools/diploma mills in the USA (as of that week).

Fast-ball Q: And who will (and how can one) verify the accuracy and completeness of such a list - and thus award the $1 million weekly?

I doubt that even the mill shills and mill operators can do this.

So the struggle continues here and elsewhere. We can and must continue to whack and pummell the ones, the very few, tip-of-the-iceberg, known unwonderful "schools" and outright mills that we know about. I see no problem here (save one of indescribable boredom ...... yawn ....... 'xcuse me).

Thanks.

 

Pardon me. If the question is "What BIG schools don't meet the "criteria"? " may I ask how one would define "BIG?" And are we talking DL-only/"BIG" or B&M/"BIG" or both?

I wouldn't be surprised if such a list of the known "BIG" ones (which are non-CHEA/non-USDoE-recognized) existed somewhere. Might provide interesting fodder for review and discussion.

Thanks.

 

By BIG schools I mean.......

What I was thinking.....

By BIG , I mean are there schools that don't meet the "standards" that nobody would second guess becuase of name , tradition , status.

For example and only example....no facts here

Joe or Karen got thier degree from Legitstate......wow
( however, behind the scenes Legitstate does not meet any criteria but they are not a mill ) or in this case are they a mill?

OK, now I'm confusing myself

 

I think that most schools that inspire the kind of "awe" you're talking about are more than likely accredited, and more than likely regionally accredited. There are some nationally-accredited schools that do have a good reputation.

I think there are also some unaccredited or nationally-accredited institutions that have good reputations in their particular geographic area, and their students do enjoy good hiring rates by local employers. For example, I attended a broadcasting school in Minneapolis (a vocational school, really). As far as I know, it has no accreditation at all, at least when I attended classes there. Yet the school had a good reputation with radio and television stations in Minnesota, the Dakotas, Wisconsin and Iowa. I can think of at least one former Los Angeles news anchor who attended this unaccredited school. I also know of people who attend this school and continue to be hired in major broadcast markets today. For the first few years of my career, this school and its reputation served me well. I am sure there are other vocational-type institutions out there that might be comparable in reputation and utility that have none of the accreditation you mention.

 

Two come to mind quickly.

Bob Jones: http://www.bju.edu/
National Test Pilot School : http://www.ntps.edu/

 

While BJU is still non-accredited, it is on the edge, so to speak, since it is seeking accreditation through TRACS. It proudly waved the non-accreditation banner for years (to avoid governmental entanglement, if my understanding is right), but now has clearly felt a need join TRACS, which is CHEA recognized.

NTPS, according to their Web site, has a master's program through their degree-granting arm, the National Flight Testing Institute. There are probably quite a few well-respected but very narrowly focused non-accredited schools such as this. Indeed, many trade schools have moved toward degree-granting in the last 15 years or so in order to remain competitive. Some, like DeVry, have sought accreditation. Many have not. Is ITT Tech accredited? No doubt, someone on the board will know.

marilynd

 

ITT Tech is accredited by ACICS.

 

NTPS is not a biggy in terms of enrollment but it is conceivably has the most expensive masters degree in the world.

NPTS is a candidate for accreditation with WASC.

Incidently NTPS is the only non-accredited school where my former employer would pay tuition costs.