Posted here because I haven't been able to post to the original thread for 2 days.... There is no evidence, anectodal or research, that indicates a higher level of acceptance of degrees from California-approved schools by employers and schools within California vs. outside the state. Do you have such information? Or would you rather re-word your statement so that it reflects reality?
<is starting quot> You admit you have never taken a course with SCUPS, so you can't be a judge or present a factual opinion about the courses or programs the school offers. <is ending quot> This, of course, is pure epistemological Schweinerei. What a stupid contention this is, that one must experience something in order to know anything about it. Mind, I don't care a rat's hindquarters about SCUPS one way or the other, but why do I have to take a course in order to have, in the slightly out-of-kilter phrase, a "factual opinion" about it? Can't I look at Scups' website, examine the syllabus and requirements of the course, talk to the HOD if they have such, and perhaps talk to the individual faculty member responsible for the course, and thus learn something--and that sufficient to form a judgment based on fact--about the course? If the answer is an experientialist "no", that says something far worse about Scups than anything Rich may or may not have said. If the answer is "no", that must mean that all information given out by Scups about its classes is simply untrustworthy. And that is an extraordinary thing for a defender of Scups to believe. If identical experience is the only path to knowledge, why read or listen to anything or anyone but oneself at all? Cognition and empathy and sympathy and instruction are all ruled out of court in favour of one's own sensory experience being the only reliable path to knowledge. This is not quite postmodernism. But it is very close to egomania. And very silly. Why have a discussion board, then? Why not fire up the aromatherapy machine and go commune with one's own experience, bulwarked by electronic jasmine and lavender against the temerarious world of other people's facts?
Re: Re: SCUPS and Stuff You know what? If I was bragging about the quality of the Union Ph.D., then criticisms about Union's struggles with the OBR would be relevant. But I didn't. Nothing from "Steve Hutchinson" shows up in a search of Google and Google scholar. Funny thing is, a search of Dissertation Abstracts doesn't reveal a "Steve (or "Steven" or "Stephen") Hutchinson" with a Duke doctorate, either. I'm sure this is just a mistake. I mean, "Steve" couldn't possibly be telling a fib, right? Oh, and I called SCUPS. They don't have anyone by that name who graduated either. (This is directory information available under FERPA; a simple thing.) Now, both of these could be errors, to be sure. But until Dr. Hutchinson clarifies the matter, I might be inclined to conclude he has not been forthcoming. Others, of course, might draw different conclusions. Steve?
Re: HR SCUP 'N STUFF Great. Now I can't get the song out of my head. I'm just glad I don't know the theme song to Lidsville! (I always though Lidsville was better.)
Re: Re: HR SCUP 'N STUFF There are just too many of us about the same age around here. Gad, some of the television we used to watch. Tom Nixon
Like Rich, I was also unable to post to the other thread. So I'll follow his lead and post my response here. Thanks, Steve. I gather that most SCUPS students take the supervised experience option instead of pursuing the integrated internship. For the interested reader, mainstream psychology training channels students into the internship as opposed to an on-the-job experience. The internship mandates things like weekly didactics and generally offers varied rotations which supervised experience frequently can’t provide. Not all internships are APA approved but even the most superior supervised experience would never be considered the equivalent of an APA-approved internship. One decided downside is that some states do not accept supervised experience in lieu of the internship. Demand has exceeded supply which became a bottleneck the past few years. The Association of Psychology Postdoctoral and Internship Centers (www.appic.org) defines the internship as follows: A psychology internship is an organized training program which, in contrast to supervised experience or on-the-job training, is designed to provide the intern with a planned, programmed sequence of training experiences. The primary focus and purpose is assuring breadth and quality of training. Steve, this may not have any utility but, who knows, it might be helpful. You decide. Thirty years ago I made an ill advised decision by pursuing a PhD in counseling. Much to my chagrin it worked to my disadvantage as the reception I received in my job search was lukewarm at best. Employers wanted licensed or license eligible psychologists and I gradually came to discover a bias that went something like ‘what’s wrong with this guy, couldn’t he get into a real psychology program?’ My masters is an MSW and I strongly considered returning to social work just to find a job. Eventually I decided to bite the bullet. I matriculated in a respecialization program although in the end I earned an APA-approved PhD in counseling psychology. I also did an APA-approved internship. Rocky Balboa’s self-esteem was no higher climbing the steps of the Philadelphia Art Museum than mine the day I walked into the profession through the front door. (Parenthetically, I’m from Southeastern PA and I can say “Yo Adrian” with the right accent. Regrettably, the similarities end there; I can’t box and I never could do a one handed pushup.) I’m close to retirement and in the intervening years I’ve had a terrific career practicing in a med school affiliated teaching hospital. I might have secured a license in some state but what were the chances of realizing my goal with a cobbled together credential? Slim and none. To paraphrase something I once heard Ollie North say, the best decision I ever made was to “Do an about face and double time up the hill.” By the bye, in what field did you earn the Duke doctorate?
I'm not sure you'll get an answer from Steve. There is no evidence he earned the degree he claims (neither at Duke nor SCUPS). See my post above.
