French Higher Ed Degrees based upon professional experience

Anybody have any experience with this institution and their issuance of French higher education degrees based upon valuable professional experience? Supposedly done based upon "French Institution of Higher Education applying the Validation of Degrees for Experience (VAE) Law of January 17, 2002." Is this legitimate? Is the school legitimate?

School: French Ecole Supérieure Universitaire Robert de Sorbon

Web site: www.sorbonedu.com

Seems like a diploma mill, but I have never seen this type of setup before. The school name alone sends up red flags to me.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

 

It's a Diploma Mill!
Do a seach on degreeinfo there is a lot of info.

 

I see new information on their site

Registered French Institution of Higher Education
#0862003720

Publication Journal Officiel de la République Française
#20040039-1669
Authorized to bestow degrees L731-14

This adds to their validity.

I don't remember seeing this info in the past discussions about this school.

But I do remember reading about the VAE and how it is practiced and came quickly to conclusion THAT IT'S NOT IMPLEMENTED CORRECTLY BY THIS ENTITY.
They don't register the applicants with the RAE athority in Pqaris etc.

So if VAE degree is from University of Paris thats a deferent story if it's from Comoros islands were the school is located than think twice.

What new to me is the registration of their French campus as granting degree institution in France.

This may have value.

 

OK they are not listed

http://www.education.gouv.fr/sup/univ.htm

It's walks like duck and it quack's like a duck - that is mill

 

My two favorite quotes from their web...

"Does Robert de Sorbon deny admissions to applicants?

Yes, as we are a competitive French institution of higher education"

AND

"You deserve Academic Integrity !
avoid "Diploma Mill""

 

They have a very rigourous testing schedule for prospective students - most people have their admissions denied if they fail the "given money to Robert de Sorbon" test.

 

This list appears to me as a French Public universities list, made by the government .

I could not see HEC, INSEAD in Fontinblau, ESSEC, and other French legitimate private Business institutions. Those schools are agreed by the UNI of Geneva. I think that the word "université" is reserved to French public universities.

Am I wrong on that ? In Switzerland some Cantons have good private Universities some Bad mills specialliy in Ticino.

Respectfully,



The above is not a judgement on any private university..

 

Rather than focus on methodology ("VAE" or whatever), look at whether or not the school is approved by the nation's education ministry (or equivalent). I think the answer you'll find in this case is "no." Like Knightsbridge.

 

And the evidence is?

 

Il ne faut pas juger les gens sur la mine, mais alors, les conseilleurs ne sont pas les payeurs.
Jack

 

Do not understand totally

I will reply in Genevois " Y a pas le feu au Lac Nom de Bleu "

There is no fire on the Lac by "Dog Sake".

I will do my research in the next days and keep you informed.

 

Do not understand totally

I will reply in Genevois " Y a pas le feu au Lac Nom de Bleu "

There is no fire on the Lac by "Dog Sake".

I will do my research in the next days and keep you informed.

 

My french is poor, but I believe that the French government page dealing with VAE is here

I believe it gives a list of universities authorised to offer the procedure (or at least links to it) - here

No mention of Robert de Sorbon.

 

What do you mean by evidence? One does not set out to prove a non-event. The opposite is true. Let the school (or its advocates) demonstrate that this is indeed a school recognized by the proper French authorities and is generally accepted in the world higher education community as a legitimate university.

I haven't looked at this thing at all, except for what I've read here. I'm not asserting that it is a diploma mill. I suspect--as I said in my post--that it is not a recognized school. Is it? How is it?

 

OK, I'll bite. Which cantons have the good private universities and what are the names of the universities?

 

Private vs Public

Dear Sir,

Your French is very correct.

I have made some checking and once again, the list is a list of Public Universities for VAE not private ones. In Switzerland we have some private but most are public, contrary I think to the US where most are private (correct me if I am wrong).

My canton (Geneva) borders France and we are French speaking. France is in the middle, with many legal private (25%) universities and many seems legitimate, not to include the "consulaires" which are run by the Chamber of commerce.

Those private universities have a loose control from the French Education Nationale and they have the right to grant degrees in France.

About Robert de Sorbon I contacted the Consulate not the Education Nationale, I must say.

They are a legal private French university (private) and they have the right to bestow degrees in France. They can use the VAE procedure.

They are with another institution, the only one which accept the VAE in English.

I must add that French civil servants prefer public universities traditionally.

Regards

Marc-Christian Fischbacher
UNI Genève 1983

 

I deal with Alcatel France daily.
Placed a call to a director of engineering Phillipe, on a second call he conference us with HR executive whose name was Jerblaba I don't know how to pronounce.

I asked him questions about acceptability of the alma meter school for employment at Alcatel France.

French Ecole Supérieure Universitaire Robert de Sorbon

For technical and managerial positions.

The whole thing lasted 20 minutes.
He went to his PC and made some search based on other info I provided.

The degree requirement will be satisfied and the candidate will go to the next step - presenting his resume in front of the hiring manager.

I asked what about and named couple of less then wonderful schools that pop here an a frequent basis and he told me that persons with such degrees will not be accepted.

Now I'm contacting couple of universities and will try to get their input .
Specifically if they will accept such a credential in their graduate programs.

Will post once get the results.

 

Dear Sir,

It is not so easy !! We are a federal state like the USA and some Cantons are more lenient but it does not mean that universities in the Canton are bad.I can not really say good and bad universities I prefer to tell you what is the Canton situation of higher education.

All public Universities are of course OK. I really trust the following cantons for their control

-Genève
-Vaud
-Fribourg
-Berne-Bern
-Zurich
-St. Gall
-Valais-Wallis
-Lucerne-Luzern

The cantons that really exercises less control are
-Ticino-Tessin
-Grisons-Graubunden
-Jura

It does not mean that there the universities are bad but their control is less.

Respectfully

Marc Christian Fischbacher

 

"The degree requirement will be satisfied and the candidate will go to the next step - presenting his resume in front of the hiring manager."
Are you saying that they will recognize the "French Ecole Supérieure Universitaire Robert de Sorbon".
I am not sure I understand?

 

Re: Private vs Public

That depends on how you play the numbers. There are many private schools but the majority are small. The public universities in States like New York and California are immense.

I have an off-topic question for you if you don't mind. I read years ago that the CEOs of most Swiss corporations were not college graduates and did not noticeably suffer for that. Do you know if that was or is true?