Look At What Your Distance Education is Funding

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  2. I need to also add that this is being done in many cases on the backs of the tax payer and the Federal Student Aid Program.
     
  3. carlosb

    carlosb New Member


    Dang those for profit schools! They should do like good ole non-profit University of Florida which pays their FOOTBALL COACH a lousy $2 million a year.

    or

    Cal-Berkeley
    Jeff Tedford agreed to a 5-year contract extension for an annual salary of $2 million. Tedford said, “I hope everybody knows by now that I am 100% committed to this program in the future.”

    http://www.collegeathleticsclips.com/archives/000337.html

    Yes sir ree lets pay them football coaches all that money. Too bad some business students must take a class in an auditorium. GO Gators!!!

    Just my opinion
     
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  4. Hey Carlosb,

    Tuition per graduate hour at the University of Florida is $228.00 and the cost per hour at the University of Phoenix is $570.00. Quite a difference. Who cares what the football coach makes? Most of his wages is paid by the football program's revenue probably anyway.

    Before I paid that kind of tuition, I would look into a state supported university that offers night and weekend classes.
     
  5. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    Yes, the difference is the tuition subsidy for each student that University of Florida (and all state schools) receives from the state government, compliments of you and me--the taxpayers. There is quite a bit of difference between the tuition at Stanford, Cal Tech and U.S.C., compared to U.C. Berkeley and U.C.L.A. as well.

    Tony Pina
    Northeastern Illinois University
    (with many thanks to the taxpayers and students who provide the funds for my salary)
     
  6. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    Funny, I see the wonderful non-profit UoF charging $889.94 credit hour for non-residents-graduate and $527.58 credit hour non-resident undergraduate .

    Wonder who pays the difference for the residents. Could it be the taxpayers of Florida?????

    http://fa.ufl.edu/ufs/cashiers/feecalcreg2004-2005.html

    Guess football isn't making that much money. UoF has:

    Activity and Service Fee 8.26
    Athletic Fee 1.90

    PER CREDIT HOUR!

    Gotta pay da coach!


    Thought it was supposed to be non-profit....

    Just my opinion
     
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  7. plantagenet

    plantagenet New Member

    You pay a football coach $2 million at a public university? There would be probably be outrage if such a thing occured in Australia.

    What would the top academics at the University of Florida receive? How much does the "President" receive?(I think that is the title. The title in the UK, Australia and other places is the Vice-Chancellor.)
     
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  8. The University of Phoenix Online makes a healthy profit from students interested in pursuing their degrees in a nontraditional setting. Personally, why would anyone attend the University of Florida as a nonresident anyway? I think the University of Phoenix is taking advantage of it's students in charging such high fees.

    I have already brought up in another thread that the University of Pheonix had their hand spanked by the US Government.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/31/60minutes/main670479.shtml

    "Last fall, the Department of Education handed out its largest fine ever -- $9.8 million dollars to the Apollo Group and its University of Phoenix for admitting unqualified students to boost enrollment. "
     
  9. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...sfla-news-miami

    (story is a couple of weeks old now so need to search archives)

    Florida International University is a Non-profit PUBLIC university located in Miami, FL.

    REPAY $11.5 Million in grants...wonder where the money will come from???
     
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  10. Andy Borchers

    Andy Borchers New Member

    At the risk of boring many NG readers, I'll remind everyone of my prior rants on for-profits. If you look at the P&L statements from some of the large for-profits, you'll see that over 50% of the revenue stream is spent on Marketing, Administration, Profit and Taxes. Less than 50% goes for instruction.

    By contrast, even agressive non-profits spend 85-90% of their revenue streams on educational expenses. Some may doubt the value of full-time faculty and libraries, but I don't.

    As for the value of for-profits - I'll repeat my often recited question. "Show me a single for-profit that appears in the top 3 quartiles of any national ranking list". You can't. Why not? If you put any stock into ranking lists at all the answer is obvious - for-profits are, on the whole, at the bottom of the quality heap.

    I'm done ranting - and I feel better...

    Regards - Andy
     
  11. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    At the risk of stating the crashingly obvious, the purpose of this thread is to slam the University of Phoenix because Rich Douglas had some connection to it, and then to go back and whine on another forum about people's responses.

    The thread starter tried out a raft of mills on us until CCU let him resume a long-lapsed program (which was mighty nice of them). Why he feels constrained to go after one for-profit while boasting of his re-enrolment in another can only be explained as above.

    And, by the way:
    I have no animus for or against the University of Phoenix;
    I have no animus for or against for-profits;
    I have no animus for or against Dr Douglas.

    Jealousy is an amazing thing, apparently.
     
  12. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    I am no fan of the for profit schools. Especially ones that use high pressure sales tatics and under deliver on hours and content. I am not thinking of U of P. Still they are good choices for some people and much better choices than just about ANY unaccredited school. These unaccredited schools are probably even more about profit than the schools discussed above. Heck they won't even spend the money on accreditation!
     
  13. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    How about this one at a Tier 4 school that got spanked by SACS for teaching credentials last year:

    Florida Atlantic University

    Non-profit Public University

    Executive Graduate Programs:

    http://fauexecutiveprograms.com/ApplicationFiles/web/WebFrame.cfm?web_id=298

    Program Fees
    $695.00 per credit
    Total:$27,800 - $31,970 for 40-46 credits
    (books and meals included)
    Non-Florida Residents
    $1350 per credit (approximately)($62,100 for 46 credit hours)

    $1350 / credit hour for non-resident and $695. resident?????

    $27,800 - $62,100 for a Tier 4 MBA?

    This is non-profit?

    In all fairness the FAU football team did lose money last year so I guess funding must come from somewhere.

    Or maybe the meals are something special.

    Just my opinion
     
  14. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    Nova Southeastern University has been around since the 1960's. It is now 2005 and Nova is still ranked in the bottom 4th tier. Is it fair that NSU continues to occupy a place at the bottom of the heap after all these years? Is the educational experience at NSU that poor or does it suffer from traditional education bias?

    I believe the for-profits are suffering from the same bias that NSU must endure.

    I personally have a high deal of respect for NSU. A number of my successful business associates\contacts are NSU grads.

    Just my opinion
     
  15. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    The non-profits love to spend taxpayer money:

    Football expenses throw FAU for a loss

    By Jennifer Peltz
    The Sun-Sentinel
    February 10, 2005

    For more Palm Beach news, click on Sun-Sentinel.com
    Staggering under the hefty cost of football, Florida Atlantic University is talking about hiking student fees, shaving sports spending and borrowing from such sources as student housing rents and bookstore sales.

    Acknowledging that ticket sales, corporate sponsorships and donations are falling short of expectations, FAU expects to lose more than $1.7 million on sports this school year. Administrators say they probably will seek to cover the loss temporarily out of the profits of various campus money-makers -- student housing, food service, theater rentals, enrichment classes and the like. Those profits ultimately are destined to enhance those enterprises and the money would have to be repaid.


    So does more than $1.2 million in bank loans for FAU sports during the past two years, according to FAU finance chief Kenneth Jessell. And the university's fund-raising foundation also expects to recoup about $4.5 million it lent the fledgling Owls in their starting years, says fund-raising director Ann Paton. The foundation also raised $16.3 million in outright donations, she said.

    The debts, against a roughly $10 million sports budget, add up to enough to bother some trustees.

    A couple made it clear Wednesday they won't keep tolerating red ink, even for a team that put FAU on national television in its third season.

    "We all understand the value that the football program has brought to the university," trustee chairwoman Sherry Plymale said. "... [But] we cannot continue this downhill slide."

    For students, the shortfall means the prospect of an up to a 17 percent increase in their sports fee, already among the highest in Florida's state university system. All of FAU's roughly 27,000 for-credit students now subsidize sports to the tune of $11.75 per credit, or $282 a year for a full-time undergraduate load of 24 credits. By comparison, the sports fee is $1.90 per credit at the University of Florida, where television and other revenues help underwrite sports teams.
     
  16. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    There are so many MBA programs around I guess I don't understand why someone would pay so much more for one than another (of course, I know they're not all of equal quality, but most are roughly equal in quality). On the other hand, I recognize that these are all business-oriented people (by definition) and I trust that they've done their homework and crunched the numbers and taken all the other factors into consideration and then decided they prefer the University of Phoenix. That's their privilege. As for the "for profit" nature of that school, so what? No one is forcing anyone to attend that school. Their for-profit status makes them no different than any other corporation in America. What's the big deal? Why does this upset you so much?
    Jack
     
  17. PhD2B

    PhD2B Dazed and Confused

    When the nearest state supported school is at least two hours away from home and none of them offer doctorates in your area nor via DL, those schools with DL offerings are a welcome sight.

    Just keep in mind; "non profit" does not always equal less expensive and vice versa.

    Of the state schools with DL offerings that I’ve looked into, being charged the out-of-state or DL rate was, in most cases, more expensive than some of the "for profit" DL schools.
     
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  18. Tom H.

    Tom H. New Member

    Cost of Executive MBA Programs

    Many of the "Executive MBA" programs, even those at state schools, are very expensive relative to other DL programs and same school B&M programs because often the employer is paying the tuition. The students don't necessarily select programs based on cost but rather on the other factors one normally considers when choosing a program. (scheduling, residency requirements, etc.)

    I don't think that a school incurs any extraordinary costs when it runs an Executive MBA DL program. Instead, it appears that the schools are simply charging what they estimate the market will bear for such programs ... and woe to the student who does not have an employer paying the tuition. :rolleyes:
     
  19. I have just written the Office of the Inspector General, Department of Education regarding what I feel is a proliferation and abuse of federal tax dollars being paid to these supposed quality and accreditated schools. This is one time I would like to see the government step in and regulate "For Profit Universities" from bleeding the public.

    And yes you are right, Tom, unless you have an employer picking up the tab, it is hard to afford attending. There will come a time when companies will say enough is enough, and stop paying. I believe being able to obtain a quality education is a fundamental right of everyone. And another thing, it should not cost an arm and a leg to earn a recognized degree.

    We have be led, or should I say misled, to believe RA is the only way, and it is universities like this one that are taking advantage of the situation. We are mortgaging our future away by going into debt to the tune of $30,000 to $60,000 simply to get a higher education.

    I say, if you want a quality education, enroll in a DETC accredited program, like California Coast University, who has been in existence since 1973. Don't be suckered into attending the University of Phoenix. Education is what you make of it and you don't need RA stamped on your diploma to get a job.
     
  20. Deb

    Deb New Member

    If you want to teach in the state of Florida, you do.
     

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