Another clue that MU is going for National Accreditation

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  1. serts

    serts New Member

    Another clue that Madison University is going for National Accreditation:

    Look at their current website page on accreditation and you will see they took the WORLD ASSOCIATION OF UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES accreditation off their list of recognition.

    Here are the links to the current web page and the "cached" link from yahoo that still shows accreditation from WORLD ASSOCIATION OF UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES.



    http://www.madisonu.com/accred.html[/url]



    Cached URL coming in a minute...
     
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  2. serts

    serts New Member

  3. Mike1957

    Mike1957 New Member

    MU accreditation

    I have talked at length with MU administration. They are distancing MU from the WAUC because of the number of questionable schools getting accredited. MU is a quality school despite what has been said about them in the past. Similar to the CCU comments until CCU was accredited by the DETC. Sometimes, good schools get caught up in bad company. MU now recognizes this and correcting it. They are going after USDOE recognized accreditation and under going the self-study process at this time. I am not at liberty to say which accreditation agency. MU will announce that when the time comes.

    I am researching many colleges and universities across the nation and actually gathering information from the schools in my research. Not basing opinions on personal ones but on facts from the schools.
     
  4. Bill Parker

    Bill Parker New Member

    Re: MU accreditation

    Can you provide some syllabi, course content, and other evidence to validate your statement?

    Please provide some then, thanks.

    Bill
     
  5. galanga

    galanga New Member

    hogwash

    Beans.

    They are still well-RJH'd via NAHE.

    Look here and here.

    Surely you are joking.
     
  6. Mike1957

    Mike1957 New Member

    hope this uploaded correctly.

    Madison University
    COURSE SYLLABUS
    Course Number: PSM 50572
    Course Title: Cost Management in Health Care
    Primary Text: Kovner, Duncan & Neuhauser, Duncan, Health Services Management: Readings and Commentary: 7th edition, Washington, DC: AUPHA/HAP.
    Course Objectives
    By the end of this course you will be able to:
    q Identify major trends in the U.S. health care system
    q Interpret the consequences of key events on health care professions, organizations, and financing
    q Differentiate between various healthcare delivery and financing systems
    q Relate changes in access, cost and quality of health care to various perspectives and stakeholders
    q Design alternative approaches to address significant healthcare issues
    q Evaluate and choose from a variety of healthcare perspectives and options when making decisions
    Course Concepts
    q Students will understand the major concepts of raising quality and productivity in health care services
    q Students will understand the major concepts of managing rural health care
    q Students will understand the major concepts of improving health of a defined population
    q Students will understand the major concepts of shaking complacency in strategic planning
    q Students will understand the major concepts of managing the transition to integrated healthcare
    Final Exam
    q At the end of the course, you will take a final exam covering all of the course material. The final exam incorporates multiple choice, matching, short answer and/or essay questions. The purpose of the final exam is to assure that you acquired necessary knowledge and skills from the class, provide concrete feedback to the instructors about how well the course materials were understood, and offer you an opportunity to apply your knowledge of course concepts.
     
  7. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    Re: MU accreditation

    No.

    Not even close.

    Not in this case.

    If the accreditor is DETC, I would have to seriously reconsider what I think of DETC.

    On its website, I particularly like:

    a. using only the first initial for faculty making it more difficult to look them up with a Google search;

    b. "The faculty and staff at Madison University invite registered students to visit our administrative offices at any time after enrollment. " But until we've cashed your check, don't even think about it;

    c. The full tuition price for its "degrees." While there may be reputable schools that do this, I'm not aware of any.

    d. the offering of degrees in areas such as education which is worthless coming from them (because school districts typically don't hire graduates from unaccredited schools).

    e. Pictures of the diplomas and transcripts. Are there legitimate schools which have pictures of both on the website?

    And so on. Just a cursory look, mind you.

    :rolleyes:
     
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Re: MU accreditation

    They would reveal this to you but you cannot tell us? Must be nice to have such impeccable credentials of clandestine operations. :D
     
  9. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    Re: Here is the URL of CACHED webpage

    And you have to love the ubiquitous USDLA logo. Are there any members of that organization that are not degree mills?

    Facetious, of course, because USDLA is a fine organization, but it does its cause no good by letting into membership some of these schools.

    United States Distance Learning Association, btw, has someone from the unaccredited Atlantic International University on the advisory board. It also has someone from American National University which was kicked out of Hawaii.



    Tom Nixon
     
  10. Mike1957

    Mike1957 New Member

    I guess all of these schools are diploma mills too?

    Cambridge College
    Cambridge, MA

    Center for Interactive Learning & Collaboration
    Corporation for Education Technology
    Indianapolis, IN

    Central Missouri State University
    Bethlehem, PA C
    haffey Community College
    Rancho Cucamonga, CA

    Chela Education Financing
    San Francisco, CA Coastline Community College
    Fountain Valley, CA

    Colorado Community College System
    Denver, CO

    Columbia Southern University
    Orange Beach, AL

    Community College of Southern Nevada
    Las Vegas, NV
    CoSN
    Washington, DC

    CT Distance Learning Consortium
    Newington, CT

    Dallas Baptist University
    Dallas, TX

    Defense Acquisition University(HQ-PV)
    Ft. Belvoir, VA Department of the Air Force

    Air Technology Network
    Air Force Institute for Advanced Distributed Learning
    Wright-Patterson AFB, OH

    DePaul University
    Chicago, IL Div. Extended Programs

    Western Oregon University
    Monmouth, OR

    Doxa International University
    Coral Springs, FL

    Drake University
    Des Moines, IA

    Early Childhood Learning
    Community University of Cincinnati
    Cincinnati, OH

    EmpowerPeace.com
    Boston, MA

    Fischler School of Education and Human Services
    Nova Southeastern University (NSU)
    North Miami Beach, FL

    Florida Virtual School
    Orlando, FL

    Gallup-McKinley County Public Schools
    Gallup, NM George Washington University
    Washington, D. C.

    Hartford University
    Hartford University Hispanic Educational Telecommunications System
    San Juan, PR

    Housing Telecommunications Inc.
    Cheshire, CT Housing TV Network/Learning Technologies
    Cheshire, CT

    Illinois Virtual Campus
    Champaign, IL Kensington College

    Buzzards Bay, MA
    Knowledge Works Foundation
    Cincinnati, OH L.A. Co.

    Office of Education
    Downey, CA

    Marywood University
    Scranton, PA

    The MINDS Institute
    Farmington Hills, MI

    Minnesota State Colleges and Universities
    St. Paul, MN

    My Jewish Learning.org
    Rockville, Maryland

    National University Virtual High School
    La Jolla, CA

    Navajo Education Technology
    Gallup, NM

    New Mexico University
    Las Cruces, NM

    Nueva Granada Military University
    Bogota D.C., Columbia

    Oklahoma City National Memorial
    Oklahoma City, OK

    Oklahoma State University
    Stillwater, OK


    Pennsylvania College of Technology
    PennState
    Willamsport, PA Public Broadcasting Service (PBS)

    Alexandria, VA
    Regis University

    Denver, CO Rensselaer Polytechnic Inc.
    Troy, NY

    Saint Louis Community College
    St. Louis, MO Saint Regis University
    Wilmington, DE

    Scottsdale Community College
    Scottsdale, Arizona SC

    Partnership for Distance Education
    Columbia, SC

    Southwest International University
    Tempoe City, CA

    Southern New Hampshire University
    Manchester, NH
    Southwest Tennessee Community College
    Memphis, TN

    Stanford University
    Stanford, CA

    Sullivan University
    Louisville, KY Syracuse University
    Syracuse, NY

    Texas A&M University
    Center for Distance Learning Research
    College Station, TX

    UMASS Online
    Boston, MA

    University of Delaware
    Newark, DE

    University of Florida
    Gainesville, FL
    University of Iowa
    Iowa City, IA

    University of Louisville
    Louisville, KY

    University of Notre Dame
    Notre Dame, IN

    University of Texas System
    Austin, TX
    University of Texas at Austin
    Austin, TX

    University of Toledo
    Toledo, OH
    University of Wisconsin - Platteville
    Platteville, WI

    Virginia Tech
    Blacksburg, VA

    Distance Learning Resource Network
    West Ed
    Phoenix, AZ

    Weber State University
    Ogden, UT

    Western Oregon University
    Division of Extended Programs
    Monmouth, OR

    West Texas A & M University
    Canyon, TX

    Winston-Salem State University
    Winston-Salem, NC

    In addition, I question your research on schools and the distance programs. The books written based on opinions and asking others for their opinions about schools are just opinions. If you are going to do valid research, roll up your sleeves and get with it.
     
  11. Mike1957

    Mike1957 New Member

    and accreditation issues

    It does not matter what my opinion or your opinion or any one elses for that matter concerning schools being accredited or not does not matter as to a school's quality. The US DOE nor the fedearl government mandates schools to be accredited. Until that changes, learn to live with it.

    Why does it bother you so much that there are member from unaccredited universities on the USDLA board. Maybe they have something to offer. Who are you to judge these individuals?
     
  12. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Re: Re: Here is the URL of CACHED webpage

    Ubiquity is not always bad; it's a good PR ploy.

    I have stated numerous times on here in the course of several years that Bethany is not a degree mill. It just does not meet the criteria by most objective people's definition.

    If I were any school I would not apply to USDLA for accreditation. The fee is $1200!

    I have been urging Bethany to drop their doctoral programs, forego applying to USDLA and trying for DETC accreditation.
     
  13. William H. Walters

    William H. Walters New Member

  14. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Thoughtful...Contemplative..........................Posed. :D
     
  15. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    Re: I guess all of these schools are diploma mills too?


    I'm not sure what you may have read (and you may wish to go back and read again), but the only information solicited was on the existence of new schools. Not on whether they are good or bad or whatever. This is a common practice among writers. It's called doing research.

    As for the rest, of course none of them are mills, but for Madison to prove it is not one, it must do better than them, don't you think?



    Tom Nixon
     
  16. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    Btw, if anyone would like to see the fine, upstanding school which Mike1957 is supporting, you can find the link concerning American National University on the State of Hawaii's website from when they were sued and kicked out of the state.

    Also, Mike, you may want to look up the meaning of the word "facetious."



    Tom Nixon
     
  17. Mike1957

    Mike1957 New Member

    American National University

    Don't know what you want me to get from the ANU link with HI. That has nothing to do with Madison University as a school nor does the lawsuit state anything about the quality of education provided by ANU. Madison U was incorporated on 4/26/2000. So, it is a fairly young school that is trying to fight for its place among the "quality" schools. It takes time as you all know for schools to grow into higher quality schools. When it comes down to it, you can pick out those schools that are substandard, not interested in providing a quality education and have a hand out for the money. I have several research assistants working with me bombarding randomly chosen schools. Let's see what happens. I am not judging any of these schools until the data is in. Although, I have found several that I can't help but to question their credibility in supplying a quality education instead of getting the money.

    Your research is based on a survey. Not a true research model. It is good for what it is, a survey on distance programs. I am not intending any disrespect towards you about your gathering opinions about distant learning programs. In fact, I think it is great. But when doing research as you know, the researcher should remain unbiased and collect data from an unbiased source (random samples of the population).

    I am conducting my own research about dl schools and substandard education for completion of a course requirement at UNC Chapel. I have never attended a school that is not regionally accredited. Hence, I have no personal interests in whether schools are regionally accredited, unaccredited or accredited by some other accreditation agency. I think it is in poor taste to attack schools in which one has no direct evidence to support the quality of education the schools provides or does not provide. The only true way to find this out is to survey the graduates of these schools and the satisfaction of employers that employee those graduates.

    In addition, schools that are suspected as being substandard by researchers who author books should not be contacting these schools to provide consultation for pay to aid these schools in getting up to standard. The researchers could send names of potential consultants or direct the schools to resources that could help the schools.

    This research may expand into having a random sampling of adults apply for admissions and going to at least one course at a B&M and through total dl to see what the quality level may be.

    Just hang on.

    I just ask you as a fellow research professional to keep an open mind until all the facts are in. I am attempting to get a couple of more grants to extend my current research.

    Depending upon the professionalism on this site, if folks maintain a professional attitude in debates and sharing of information, I may post my dissertation on here before I do other sites.

    Take care and God bless...I will continue to pray for those in California affected by the rains and flooding.

    Mike Coates
     
  18. Mike1957

    Mike1957 New Member

    if wondering where I am and not posting,,,, I am working full time plus working on a graduate degree. I am in the beginning phases of my research, working on another course and trying to keep the family together.

    Take care
     
  19. Mike1957

    Mike1957 New Member

    Re: Re: MU accreditation

    I approach my research in a professional manner, without judging or having ill conceived biases. I enter in and ask specific nonintimidating questions.

    I keep receiving brochures, letters, phone calls, emails from UOP, Charter Oak, Excelsior, Capella, Central Michigan University and a host of others with all kinds of we want you to apply with us. These advertising tactics are similar to those of the other types of schools.

    And by the way, most schools, will allow students to pay for the total program of education at one time. Though this usually does not happen, there are very rich parents out there that do this. When I was going to East Carolina University, a student I became friends with was one of those forunate rich folks. Her tuition was paid to ECU in full. They only had to pay for extra things as they come up.

    Madison U is a small school with limtied office space. They could not handle large crowds of potential students showing up and wanting information or a tour. You have to think realisticly about this.
     
  20. plantagenet

    plantagenet New Member

    Re: American National University

    Given it is a very young school trying to establish itself, it seems to have an extraordinarily broad range of degree programs offered.

    The degree programs offered

    I would think that this is a little excessive if they were going for quality rather than quantity.
     

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