Clarification Please on DETC ? And Help!

Is a DETC accredited degree as good or seen as good as one from any other accredited college such as a California State University School? I am currently enrolled in University Of Phoenix and I think it's accredited by the same accreditation that covers University of Arizona, Colorado etc... Is there any private sector or public sector employers that do not recognize DETC accreditation as a worthy one for hiring purposes? Any information would be helpful. Thank You!

My Plan is to finish my Bachelors Degree in Business Administration as fast as possible. Is there a school that will accept my financial aid and Pell grants that’s a good school that I can save money on and finish faster? Any suggestions?

I have 50 units completed at UOP. I would like to keep all my work that’s been completed.

Then I am looking to get my Masters (MBA). I am looking into National University or California State University Dominguez Hills has an On-Line MBA program that looks great so far to me.

Can someone please help me out? I also need fully DL programs. As I have a business, son, and family with no time to attend traditional B&M school.

Thank You,

Joe

 

I may be a bit biased here only because Grantham is "MY" school, but if you're looking to complete a program that can be completed "as soon as possible" Grantham University would make a great choice. Grantham operates on an open enrollment schedule and allows students to complete degrees as fast as possible. So, if you can work at a fast pace you can complete a course in two days if you really wanted to. I chose Grantham because it's ran like a traditional university and because of the 25% scholarship for military members/veterans.

Dr. Bear reported that (I believe it was) 60% of RA colleges/universities would accept nationally accredited degrees/courses. I've found an increasingly amount of RA schools that state on admission requirements that transfer/graduate students have credits/degrees from an "accredited institution" and doesn't specifically say one way or the other.

I, personally, would recommend Grantham to anyone because I had a great experience.

www.grantham.edu

If you're interested I can glady provide you with the admissions advisor contact information who got the ball rolling for me.

To view the current Grantham catalog and student handbook visit: https://gomis.grantham.edu/granthamu/

If you have any specific questions related to Grantham send me a PM and I'll get right back to you.

 

Hi,

An RA degree will always be seen as superior to any NA degree and will, generally speaking, have much more utility.

I have a DETC master's and feel I received an excellent education. I have been able to intelligently converse with health care professionals in my congregation, when i visit hospitals and nursing home facilities, and when I meet with hospice workers and grief counselors.

I am currently working on another DETC master's. The work is just as substantial as the work I did at an ATS/RA (I think it's RA) seminary (ESR) and much easier than the work I did in another RA graduate school (Augusta College).

 

I think in comparing a DETC degree and a CSU school, the DETC schools will always come up lacking for a number of reasons. They are much smaller, the resources are more limited, and there are real issues when attempting to transfer units or when seeking employment (at least in comparison with RA schools).

Are there any private sector or public sector employers that do not recognize DETC accreditation? Without a doubt everyone thinking human being would say yes, but you have to be careful using the word "any."

There seems to be more acceptance from employers than from RA schools, but there are certainly organizations that will turn you down solely because of the DETC degree. What percentage? Hard to tell, but there has been research done by both Rich Douglas and John Bear on this topic (and I will leave it to them to share, should they so desire).


Tom Nixon

 

Obviously I meant "much harder."

 

UOP is Regionally accredited by North-Central so I am lost to understand the point in asking about DETC if you are going to UOP.

Not trying to be rude, just not understanding.

 

If you read my first full post I am asking if there is a faster paced cheaper school. I actually like UOP I am doing very good and things are working out good so far. It is costing a lot of money about $1,380.00 per class. Right now I have time on my hands and want to get my degree done as fast as possible and try to save money if I can. The reason I was asking about DETC is becauese I wanted to weigh out the option of transfering to one of those school to finish out my degree. I am done with all my GE, Elecctives and foundation classes. I only hav e core classes left to finish. But going at UOP pace I still wont be finished for almost 2 years.

Now I know a little more about DETC it looks like I should stay with an RA school such as UOP. Now is there any other faster paced programs out there that are fully DL and RA? I also depend on my financial aid and Pell Grant to pay for college so that must be able to be utilized as well.

I would like to start the masters program at the CSU Dominguez Hills, ON Line MBA program as soon as possible so I am just looking for a way to get my bacholers done faster but staying within the relm of keeping it from an RA.

Thank You all for you input I apreciate all your point of views!

 

DETC accreditation does NOT authorize institutional participation in federal student aid programs. Keep that in mind!

 

I did not know that. Thank You for letting me know. I was woundering why all of the DETC schools have their own kind of financing options.

I would like to stay with a RA school, so if anyone has a better choice then UOP at this time for me please let me know.

Thank You

 

Atlantic Intercontinental, and Colorado Technical and Strayer. have 15 month degree completion bachelor's. They are expensive, but probably no different than UOP.

 

American Intercontinental I meant. Actually their's is 13 months.

 

UOP does well to serve it's niche market, but there are cheaper alternatives to attaining an RA degree.

Charter Oak State College (whom i've had a good experience with), Thomas Edison State College, and Excelsior are also RA, adult-learner centered instititions that are very cost effective.

And, there really is no difference between AIU, Strayer, Colorado Technical, Devry and UOP. They are all for-profit educators, and are all RA accredited.

I was not fond of Strayer (they are big in Northern VA) due to their horrible service, odd statements (I had an admissions counselor tell me they were owned by American University, when in fact they are owned by strayer education corp), and the fact they are on the quarter system, so it does not make for easy transferrability to the semester credit system.

AIU seems very expensive, but it seems you can finish an RA degree quite quickly with them.

And if you do decide to stay with UOP, your degree will be recognized and useful. The combination of mine and my GMAT scores was able to get me into the MBA program at George Washington U, a top tier university here in DC.

 

Originally posted by JoePan
Is a DETC accredited degree as good or seen as good as one from any other accredited college such as a California State University School?

No. DETC is accepted a level far less than a regionally accredited school, such as Cal State.

I am currently enrolled in University Of Phoenix and I think it's accredited by the same accreditation that covers University of Arizona, Colorado etc... Thank You!

You are correct. U of Phoenix is accredited by North Central Association of Colleges and Schools, which accredits universities in 19 states, including Arizona and Colorado (but not California).

Is there any private sector or public sector employers that do not recognize DETC accreditation as a worthy one for hiring purposes? Any information would be helpful.

Yes, there are. However, DETC accreditation would be accepted at a higher level for non-academic public and private sector jobs. Schools, colleges and universities lean toward regional accredited degrees for most positions.

My Plan is to finish my Bachelors Degree in Business Administration as fast as possible. Is there a school that will accept my financial aid and Pell grants that’s a good school that I can save money on and finish faster? Any suggestions?

If you are California based, then one of the 23 Cal State University campuses would be an inexpensive option. Your financial aid and Pell Grants would be accepted. Remember, however, that Pell Grants can be used for bachelors, but not masters, programs. AIC712's advice about Charter Oak, Thomas Edison and Excelsior is very good. They are usually the quickest and cheapest options, especially if you are willing to take equivalency exams or do porfolio work.

I have 50 units completed at UOP. I would like to keep all my work that’s been completed.

Depending upon the school and major, you will probably be able to do that. Shop around at a few of the institutions mentioned aboved and see who will give you the most transfer credits and the most reasonable tuition and fees.

Then I am looking to get my Masters (MBA). I am looking into National University or California State University Dominguez Hills has an On-Line MBA program that looks great so far to me.

Can someone please help me out? I also need fully DL programs. As I have a business, son, and family with no time to attend traditional B&M school.

CSU Dominguez Hills is a very good choice for someone in your situation. It would be a more accepted degree than one received at a DETC institution. I'm not knocking DETC. It is legitimate and recognized--just at a MUCH lower level than RA.

Tony Pina
Administrator, Northeastern Illinois University

 

Actually, Dr. Bear's study surveyed college registrars and admission officers as to the level of acceptability of different types of accreditation. Dr. Douglas performed the stastical analysis.

The level of acceptabiity of non-RA accredited degrees was found to be only 47% of the level of acceptability for RA degrees. 27% of the respondents reported that they would not accept DETC under any circumstance. Most colleges and universities would consider students with DETC degrees on a case-by-case basis.

To Quote from Bear & Douglas:

"Degrees from schools accredited by other recognized agencies are less than half as acceptable as RA degrees. This doesn't bode well for graduates of DETC programs who are looking to take
their degrees to RA graduate programs. Worse, more than a quarter of the respondents rejected the acceptance of such degrees outright. Ouch."

Tony Pina
Administrator, Northeastern Illinois University

P.S. Your idea of a national survey to see how many universities would accept DECT or other NA degrees/courses would make an excellent doctoral dissertation for someone.

 

Charter Oak

I just wanted to add some information about Charter Oak.

The admissions counselor I talked to said she had several students transfer from UOP, and they have not problem accepting transfer credits from there being that UOP is RA.

She also stated that UOP online students do quite well in Charter Oak's online classes and guided studies (called directed studies here at UOP).

 

It is not as cost effective as the programs mentioned(better than UoP though) BUT I wanted to put a plug in for my favorite school.
246 dollars per credit hour
Program all on-line
RA
etc
Southwestern College, KS
http://www.sckans.edu/online/majors.htm

 

Brian I just called Southwestern. They where very friendly I would have to say. I talk to a women named Sue she is an Advisor and a Business Admin teacher. She was great. She said to say thank you for posting good things about the school. LOL

I have a few questions.

How is the on-line format?

The tution is cheaper but you have to by books how much do the books average in cost per class?

How many classes did you take at a time and did you ever double or triple up and was it very hard to do or somewhat capable to do?

ANything you can tell me I would apreciate with your experince. Sue left a great impression on me very personable and not like UOP's support that reads computer screens to tell you things.

Thanks in advance!

 

No offense, but I work for UOP, and I do not "read computer screens" when advising students.

We have hours upon hours of corporate training we have to go through, face and online, as well as apollo corporate university.

I am sorry if you had a bad experience w/ UOP, it makes sense because the school is so large, but we are not all like that

 

I will clarify, your right this is a big school with many different people involved. There are many people that are wounderful and some that are just not good at all like any other business.

So I apologize I didnt mean to generalize everyone in that catagory.

The UOP tech support is great though! It looks like my best option at this point would be to stick out with UOP.

Has anyone doulbed up on classes at UOP and how did you do while doing that? Was it overly hard for you?

 

I actually doubled up PHL/251 and FIN/324 for my undergrad, it was really hard because of the 5 week format, but not impossible. I wouldn't recommend doubling up two upper division (300-400) level courses unless you don't want to have much of a life for the 5 weeks though.