Teaching with DETC degrees

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Jeremy, Jan 14, 2005.

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  1. Jeremy

    Jeremy Member

    Hey there has been some talk about this but if you have a DETC masters, what other accrediting orgs phrohibit you from teaching?
     
  2. Carlos Lorie

    Carlos Lorie New Member

    You should be able to teach with any nationally accredited school. Regionally accredited is another story. Please correct me if I am wrong.
     
  3. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    If your goal is to teach in the public schools, a DETC master's degree will not be acceptable to any state commission on teacher credentialing (or whatever your state might call it). When we were doing the research for Bears' Guide to the Best Education Degrees by Distance Learning , we looked into this very thing. We were unable to find any state that would find it acceptable.

    The only thing we could find is that there is a certain type of credential, vocational as I recall, in Florida that would let you teach in that area.



    Tom Nixon
     
  4. dlady

    dlady Active Member

    I have no experience or knowledge about the viability of DETC as a public school teaching degree, BUT I do notice that some DETC schools OFFER M.Ed’s.

    Odd, given this.

    DEL
     
  5. Buckwheat

    Buckwheat New Member

    South Carolina will not touch DETC, to be a certified teacher in your subject area the degree has too be RA. And with South Carolina pushing teachers to strive for National certification; quite possibly it wont be long before the whole nation is under one guideline for teacher certification.
    best, Gavin
     
  6. Mary A

    Mary A Member

    Re: Re: Teaching with DETC degrees

    Hi Tom - last year, when I was researching the problem I found was not so much the DETC part, but the fact that teacher credentially required supervised student teaching and a Bachelor's program or 1st year master's program that mapped to the proficiencies required. In Colorado, since Aspen was not doing teacher preparation, the program clearly stated that, with an exemption it could be used for administrative positions or step increased, I left before any of that could be accomplished, but did have the blessing to proceed on the basis of the DETC accreditation. Aspen also had a few students have their courses apply to step increases in South Carolina, Utah and Arizone if memory serves (and that is a big IF:D )

    A number of students took the M. Ed to teach at the community college level.
    Best advice - check the local licensing entity before beginning a program. I recall a colleague who earnec a bachelor's degree in teaching (1973) - from Northern Arizona University. She moved to California and found she could not teach because she needed a degree in a subject matter other than teaching. She was required to get two more years of college. Every state is different.

    Best,
    Mary
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I don't know about other schools, but the University of Phoenix will not recognize a degree from a DETC-accredited school in order to teach for UoP.
     
  8. Ted N

    Ted N New Member

    Re: Re: Teaching with DETC degrees

    The Florida Administrative codes indicate that Florida would accept DETC degrees for teacher certification http://www.firn.edu/doe/rules/6a-42.htm#6A-4.003.

    Ted N.
     
  9. Casey

    Casey New Member

    UoP, a real gem...

    Maybe not, but they certainly appear to have many (former and current) disgruntled employees, faculty members, and students.

    See what they have to say....

    1) http://www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=University+Of+Phoenix&submit=Search

    2) http://www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=UoP&submit=Search
     
  10. jayncali73

    jayncali73 New Member

    This seems odd since they accept DETC credits for transfer. However, I'm willing to gamble that it's because of ther regional accreditation??
     
  11. jayncali73

    jayncali73 New Member

    Re: UoP, a real gem...

    I'm amazed at the number of negative feelings/comments/experiences are posted against UoP. Yet, they are the largest private university in the country and they continue to attract students despite being very expensive.

    You would think if a company was that horrible they would be out of business?
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: UoP, a real gem...

    I'm sorry, but what exactly does that have to do with the topic?
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: UoP, a real gem...

    With more than 250,000 students and more than 20,000 active faculty, I would be surprised if they didn't have some disgruntled folks.
     
  14. Casey

    Casey New Member

    Re: Re: UoP, a real gem...

    Just wanted to point out how many UoP students are unsatisfied with the school's faculty. Maybe UoP should change their hiring policy?
     
  15. Casey

    Casey New Member

    No excuses...

    It seems to me that UoP has more complaints than any other school in the entire country. I don't care if they are the largest private university or not. This is just one of the excuses often utilized by UoP defenders. The level of student dissatisfaction at UoP is simply unacceptable.
     
  16. Casey

    Casey New Member

    Hypocrisy? ....

    You should be able to teach at both, but sadly, that usually isn't the case. This is not just a regional versus national thing. Nationally accredited schools often refuse to hire graduates of similarly accredited institutions.

    Just review the Aspen University and William Howard Taft University faculty lists.

    Mary Adams, (former president and graduate?) of Aspen, appears to have hired only two DETC member graduates. Both of those earned ISIM/Aspen degrees. See www.aspen.edu/faculty.htm

    Likewise, David Boyd's William Howard Taft faculty list contains only two DETC member graduates. Both are Taft grads and one also has an MD. www.taftu.edu/2_faculty.htm

    If DETC member schools refuse to hire DETC member graduates, why should the regionals? If DETC member schools show such little faith in their own products, why should traditional universities give them a chance?

    David Boyd and Mary Adams probably argue that national accreditation is equal to regional accreditation in every measurable way. I happen to believe that statement. But do they? Their faculty lists suggest that they do not.

    National accreditors have been producing qualified graduates for decades, so the “lack of qualified applicants” argument just doesn’t fly with me.
     
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  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: No excuses...

    Have you measured this? I think not. What, exactly is "the level of student dissatisfaction at UoP"? How do you know it?
     
  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: UoP, a real gem...

    How many is that? Do you know? Have you counted them?

    Try bringing some facts to the discussion.:rolleyes:
     
  19. Casey

    Casey New Member

    NIce smiley faces, doc

    :rolleyes: I provided a link above. Have a look and count for yourself. :rolleyes: One thing is clear, though. Contained within the threads at ripoffreport, are hundreds of complaints by unsatisfied students, faculty, and staff. :rolleyes: They are by far the most reported school. That is a fact. :rolleyes: Visit the BBB websites and you'll probably get the same results. :rolleyes:
     
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  20. Kit

    Kit New Member

    Re: Re: UoP, a real gem...

    Not necessarily. UoP is big, very big, so there's more students, employees, and ex-students and ex-employees. The numbers alone make more complaints understandable.

    UoP also advertises very heavily. Advertising works, if it didn't UoP wouldn't continue to spend so much on advertising. Many wanting to earn non-traditional degrees may simply be unaware that there are plenty of alternatives to UoP, because other schools don't saturate the market with so much advertising. Some don't advertise at all. LSU offers high quality distance courses at very reasonable prices, TESC and COSC offer very flexible programs at reasonable prices and liberal acceptance of RA credits from other schools. But when's the last time you were bugged by internet pop-up ads from any of those three?

    Kit
     

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