+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 6 1 2 3 4 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 95

Thread: Fastest PhD

  1. #1
    Dan Cooper is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    100

    Fastest PhD

    I'm looking for a Phd program that would allow me to finish the quickest. Preferably in the fields of Business Admin., Economics , Management ect. It would have to be from an RA School or foreign equivalent, in addition have the utility of being accepted for teaching positions at an RA University. Short residencies are OK.

    I currently have an MBA degree. Would it be possible to complete a Phd in a year or less?

    Also I've noticed that some schools are now offering distance DBA degrees. Is this degree generally accepted in the academic world, or primarily designed for senior managers/consultants?

    What are the advantages/disadvantages of having a DBA Vs. a PhD in Business Admin?


    Thanks,
    Dan

  2. #2
    Guest

    Re: Fastest PhD

    Originally posted by Dan Cooper
    I'm looking for a Phd program that would allow me to finish the quickest. Preferably in the fields of Business Admin., Economics , Management ect. It would have to be from an RA School or foreign equivalent, in addition have the utility of being accepted for teaching positions at an RA University. Short residencies are OK.

    I currently have an MBA degree. Would it be possible to complete a Phd in a year or less?

    Also I've noticed that some schools are now offering distance DBA degrees. Is this degree generally accepted in the academic world, or primarily designed for senior managers/consultants?

    What are the advantages/disadvantages of having a DBA Vs. a PhD in Business Admin?


    Thanks,
    Dan
    Finding a Ph.D. program that will take less than a year is virtually impossible, at least one that is RA. Now, degree mill Ph.D.'s can be completed in as little as 30 days. :D

    Seriously, however, you might try Capella and Northcentral.

  3. #3
    Andy Borchers is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Nashville, TN
    Posts
    1,066

    Re: Fastest PhD

    Dan - I think you have some inconsistent expectations here. I'm not aware of an RA doctorate (or equivalent foreign degree) in business that can be earned in a year. Three years seems to be pretty much the minimum and four to five years may be more likely. Most programs are going to include 60 credits hours or more above the MBA level.

    As for teaching with a DL degree - it is possible and there are examples of folks here that have done this. However, you need to temper your expectations. Positions at top institutions typically go to folks with traditional B&M degrees. Some folks do DL doctorates in order to teach - others are practitioners that want to further their education .

    As for DBA versus PhD - this is largely a labeling matter. During the past number of years the trend seems to be towards offering PhDs, although some schools (including Nova Southeastern , Harvard, some southern B&M schools and a new crop of part-time residental programs (Anderson, Lawrence Tech, St. Ambrose, etc.)) that have stuck with the label "DBA". In the end the label doesn't matter - what you have published and what you can do in the classroom are what matter.

    If you are interested - I'd give (in order) Case Western, Nova Southeastern , Touro, Anderson, Lawrence Tech, and St Ambrose, a look. Another poster suggtests NCU and Capella , but I'm not as high on them.

    Regards - Andy

    Originally posted by Dan Cooper
    I'm looking for a Phd program that would allow me to finish the quickest. Preferably in the fields of Business Admin., Economics , Management ect. It would have to be from an RA School or foreign equivalent, in addition have the utility of being accepted for teaching positions at an RA University. Short residencies are OK.

    I currently have an MBA degree. Would it be possible to complete a Phd in a year or less?

    Also I've noticed that some schools are now offering distance DBA degrees. Is this degree generally accepted in the academic world, or primarily designed for senior managers/consultants?

    What are the advantages/disadvantages of having a DBA Vs. a PhD in Business Admin?


    Thanks,
    Dan
    Last edited by Andy Borchers; 01-04-2005 at 01:46 PM.
    Andy Borchers, DBA
    NSU (1996)

  4. #4
    Randell1234 is offline Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Posts
    7,568

    Re: Re: Fastest PhD

    Originally posted by Jimmy Clifton


    Finding a Ph.D. program that will take less than a year is virtually impossible, at least one that is RA. Now, degree mill Ph.D.'s can be completed in as little as 30 days. :D

    Seriously, however, you might try Capella and Northcentral.
    I would think it would be possible to complete a PhD from Nothcentral in 2.5 years with non-stop work. Complete the minimum of 9 classes in eighteen months and another year to complete the dissertation phase.

  5. #5
    Dan Cooper is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    100

    Re: Re: Fastest PhD

    Originally posted by Andy Borchers
    Dan - I think you have some inconsistent expectations here. I'm not aware of an RA doctorate (or equivalent foreign degree) in business that can be earned in a year. Three years seems to be pretty much the minimum and four to five years may be more likely. Most programs are going to include 60 credits hours or more above the MBA level.

    As for teaching with a DL degree - it is possible and there are examples of folks here that have done this. However, you need to temper your expectations. Positions at top institutions typically go to folks with traditional B&M degrees. Some folks do DL doctorates in order to teach - others are practitioners that want to further their education .

    Thanks for the response,

    I understand that having a traditional B&M degree would be an advantage for getting a position at a top university.

    For obtaining a position at a respected B&M institution, would there be any bias towards an individual that earned their degree thru distance at a B&M Institution given that the same PhD was offered on campus? The degree awarded in most cases is identical whether you earned it by distance or on campus.

  6. #6
    Dan Cooper is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    100
    I noticed that Heriot-Watt now offers a DBA degree. Since it follows a similar format to their mba program I think it would be theoretically possible to complete this in under 2 years. 1 year to test out of all the courses, and another year for the thesis.

    The price is cheaper than most of the other distance Doctorates out there, and HW is far more respected than alot of these distance only universities. I would feel safer getting my DBA from a respected B&M university that I know is going to be around for a while, not some school that is going to be out of business 10 years from now.

    Has anyone enrolled in this program yet, or have any opinions on it?

  7. #7
    Ian Anderson is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    Colorado, USA
    Posts
    4,841

    Re: Fastest PhD

    Originally posted by Dan Cooper
    I'm looking for a Phd program that would allow me to finish the quickest. Preferably in the fields of Business Admin., Economics , Management ect. It would have to be from an RA School or foreign equivalent, in addition have the utility of being accepted for teaching positions at an RA University. Short residencies are OK.

    I currently have an MBA degree. Would it be possible to complete a Phd in a year or less?

    Also I've noticed that some schools are now offering distance DBA degrees. Is this degree generally accepted in the academic world, or primarily designed for senior managers/consultants?

    What are the advantages/disadvantages of having a DBA Vs. a PhD in Business Admin?


    Thanks,
    Dan

    An alternate to the DBA is the Doctor of Management which is offered by several schools including:

    The University of Maryland http://www.umuc.edu/grad/dm/dm_overview.html

    Colorado Technical University
    http://www.ctucoloradosprings.com/pr...management.asp

    University of Phoenix
    http://www.uopxonline.com/Doctor_Man...Leadership.asp

    I doubt if any of these programs can be completed in less than 2-1/2 years.

  8. Advertisement

  9. #8
    Jack Tracey is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Connecticut
    Posts
    4,093
    Originally posted by Dan Cooper
    I noticed that Heriot-Watt now offers a DBA degree. Since it follows a similar format to their mba program I think it would be theoretically possible to complete this in under 2 years. 1 year to test out of all the courses, and another year for the thesis.
    I don't know much about Heriot-Watt but I think you may be making a mistake in assuming that you can "test out" of the coursework. Good luck in any case.
    Jack

  10. #9
    Rich Douglas is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Posts
    9,999

    Re: Fastest PhD

    Originally posted by Dan Cooper

    I currently have an MBA degree. Would it be possible to complete a Phd in a year or less?


    No. As others have noted, expect 3-5 years.

    What are the advantages/disadvantages of having a DBA Vs. a PhD in Business Admin?


    Not much difference, as long as the DBA in question looked like a Ph.D. in design . Normally, there is little difference between the two, but there can be.

    A search of most business faculties will turn up quite a few people with the DBA. You'll also find many Ph.D.'s working in industry.

    A rare situation might come up if you earn a DBA in a program with less emphasis on empirical research, and then you take that degree to schools with emphases on such. But I suppose someone who's own priority is earning the quickest degree possible won't be too concerned in that area.

    (Union used to have a 2-year minimum, but that's recently been raised to 3. Three of my peers earned their degrees in nearly the minimum time, but they were incredibly driven. More likely was 3-5 years, and now 3 is the minimum.)

    [/B]

  11. #10
    edowave is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    1,600

    Re: Fastest PhD

    Originally posted by Dan Cooper
    II currently have an MBA degree. Would it be possible to complete a Phd in a year or less?
    HA HA HA HA HA HA..ahhh that was a good one.

    But seriously though, why the rush? "Quick" for a PhD is at least 3 years.
    BS, MS, PhD - University of Florida
    MBA - Heriot-Watt University
    Penn Foster - Home Remodeling and Repair (currently)
    Edinburgh Business School East Coast Alumni Ambassador

  12. #11
    Anthony Pina is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    Kentucky, USA
    Posts
    2,874

    Re: Re: Re: Fastest PhD

    Originally posted by Dan Cooper


    Thanks for the response,

    I understand that having a traditional B&M degree would be an advantage for getting a position at a top university.

    For obtaining a position at a respected B&M institution, would there be any bias towards an individual that earned their degree thru distance at a B&M Institution given that the same PhD was offered on campus? The degree awarded in most cases is identical whether you earned it by distance or on campus.
    Hello Dan,

    For teaching in higher education , there would tend to be a bias toward programs that have a B&M PhD or DBA, since such programs do not generally distinguish between on-campus and distance learning on transcripts or diplomas.

    There is no way to complete a doctorate that would qualify you to teach at a university in one year or less. Many who have spent years taking courses and conducting research to complete their doctorates tend to be offended by the suggestion that one can bypass the work required for the degree.

    Northcentral may well be the fastest RA doctorate available, but I am aware of no full-time tenure-track faculty at any university with a Northcentral doctorate. Of course, this can be explained by Northcentral being such a new institution.

    If teaching is your goal, you can teach at the community college level with a masters degree while you work on your PhD or DBA. Many universities will let people with masters degrees teach as adjunct (part-time) faculty, but full-time hires for MA's (or MBAs) at universities are fairly rare.

    Best of luck. You have come to the right place.

    Tony Pina
    Administrator, Northeastern Illinois University

  13. #12
    boydston is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Laveen, Arizona
    Posts
    234
    Originally posted by edowave HA HA HA HA HA HA..ahhh that was a good one.

    But seriously though, why the rush? "Quick" for a PhD is at least 3 years.
    New wine is worth less than the bottle it's in.
    Brad Boydston
    [URL=http://boydston.us]boydston.us[/URL]

  14. #13
    tmartca is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    246
    Hello Dan,

    You might want to look at the University of Newcastle's online DBA. They are an Australian B&M university that does have a residential program as well.

    http://ccdb.newcastle.edu.au/coursei...&FOS=4&UGPG=14 (This is a link to a description of the residential program)

    http://www.gradschool.com.au/study/p..._admin_new.asp (This is a link to a description detailing the online DBA. Notice that they are the same. Meaning that it is indeed the same program for both residential and distance students.)


    In terms of program structure:
    "The DBA program is offered over three years of full-time study. It is also available in part-time mode over six years."

    "One year's advanced standing (80 units) will be given for completion of a recognised MBA , as the first year of study requires completion of the core of the MBA to provide a foundation for business studies." (Meaning that since you have a MBA and assuming that it is "recognised" it is quite possible to earn your DBA in two years if you take a fultime course load. Two and one-half to three years if you go part-time.)

    "The second year requires completion of six DBA courses and two research training courses."

    "The third year consists of one literature review course and a research methodology proposal, and an applied project dissertation of approximately 30,000 to 40,000 words."

    "In the final year each student will be allocated a supervisor appropriate to his or her research area who is an experienced and research-trained academic staff member."



    A few other notes:

    The only concentration available to distance students is the General Management concentration. If you are looking to specialize in another field, then this may not be the best option for you.

    Price wise it is competitive. You will pay about $1700 AUD (about $1300 USD ) for a taught course and about $2000 AUD each (about $1520 USD ) for the Literature Review, Research Proposal and each term need for the dissertation.

    Assuming one year for course work, lit review and proposal and the second year for the dissertation; your costs may look something like this.

    8 courses @ $1300 USD = $ 10400
    Lit review and proposal = $ 3040
    Dissertation (3 terms) = $ 4560
    TOTAL = $ 18000 +/-

    I say +/- because we are dealing with foreign currencies with floating exchange rates. It is currently around $0.76 USD to every $1 AUD.



    Hope this helps you, even a little.

  15. #14
    DRMarion is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Atlanta Area
    Posts
    71
    I am enrolled in the EBS DBA program. I have a Capella PhD, and and EBS MBA .

    You must pass 11 exams, and do a dissertation. From my experience, you will not likely pass these in 1 year. For me, my plan is to take 2 years.

    Also, I guess the dissertation will take at least 18mos to 2 years--and that is only if I refine my dissertation proposal during the time I am taking exams.

    My guess is 4 years minimum. It took me 2.5 years for the HW MBA . i never failed an exam, and I think I am pretty smart. So, DBA will not happen quicker than that, I guarantee you!



    Originally posted by Dan Cooper
    I noticed that Heriot-Watt now offers a DBA degree. Since it follows a similar format to their mba program I think it would be theoretically possible to complete this in under 2 years. 1 year to test out of all the courses, and another year for the thesis.

    The price is cheaper than most of the other distance Doctorates out there, and HW is far more respected than alot of these distance only universities. I would feel safer getting my DBA from a respected B&M university that I know is going to be around for a while, not some school that is going to be out of business 10 years from now.

    Has anyone enrolled in this program yet, or have any opinions on it?
    Jim Marion
    PhD Capella University
    MS Engineering, The University of Wisconsin-Platteville
    MSc. Strategic Planning, Edinburgh Business School, Heriot-Watt University
    MBA, Edinburgh Business School, Heriot-Watt University
    BSEET Grantham College of Engineering
    AAS Cleveland Institute of Electronics

  16. Advertisement

  17. #15
    RFValve is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Posts
    3,878

    Re: Fastest PhD

    Originally posted by Dan Cooper
    I'm looking for a Phd program that would allow me to finish the quickest. Preferably in the fields of Business Admin., Economics , Management ect. It would have to be from an RA School or foreign equivalent, in addition have the utility of being accepted for teaching positions at an RA University. Short residencies are OK.

    I currently have an MBA degree. Would it be possible to complete a Phd in a year or less?

    Also I've noticed that some schools are now offering distance DBA degrees. Is this degree generally accepted in the academic world, or primarily designed for senior managers/consultants?

    What are the advantages/disadvantages of having a DBA Vs. a PhD in Business Admin?


    Thanks,
    Dan
    So let me see if I understand what you are looking for. A very fast track degree that will let you to enter in the academic world. One year is the time that will probably take just to assemble and defend a research proposal. The typical time for a dissertation is at least two years plus course work and research proposal defense. Then you should allow at least 6 months for your supervisor and examiners to read the dissertation.

    At most of the respectable DL schools, 3-5 years is the typical time required. However, it is common to spend 5-7 years at top tier B&M schools so the 3-5 years part time programs are already considered as "low" standard degrees for most of the academics that spent 5 years full time on their programs so you should expect some bias against part time fast track programs for faculty positions.

    Also if you work full time, you will find that you will need to take some breaks if you have family and work commitments so 5 years it is perhaps the most realistic goal even for fast track doctorates.


    Schools that have on campus programs and research institutes will be considered better than those coming from for-profit virtual schools. The main reason is that there is a strong feeling in the academic community that some schools are abusing the education system and practically selling the degrees. This might not be necessarily true but academia still considers virtual schools more as business rather than research training facilities.



    As for the difference between the DBA and PhD, the PhD tend to have more acceptance in research based universities but this is not a rule as this will depend on your publication record. In few words, they are equivalent for practical purposes. However, in the UK and Australia, DBA programs consist on course work and dissertation contrary to the PhD programs that require only a dissertation. Son in fact, the DBA in the UK and Australia is the american version of the PhD that is more suitable for part time study.

    Also, few schools in the UK and Australia will take a MBA graduate for a Phd program as a research master's degree is the admission requirement for such programs. I was required to complete a research master's degree for a PhD at an Australian University so therefore I decided to do the DBA instead as I did not want to take two more years to complete a M.Phil degree.

  18. #16
    RFValve is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Posts
    3,878
    Originally posted by DRMarion
    I am enrolled in the EBS DBA program. I have a Capella PhD, and and EBS MBA .

    You must pass 11 exams, and do a dissertation. From my experience, you will not likely pass these in 1 year. For me, my plan is to take 2 years.

    Also, I guess the dissertation will take at least 18mos to 2 years--and that is only if I refine my dissertation proposal during the time I am taking exams.

    My guess is 4 years minimum. It took me 2.5 years for the HW MBA . i never failed an exam, and I think I am pretty smart. So, DBA will not happen quicker than that, I guarantee you!



    Hi DRMarion,

    I wonder why would you want to complete a DBA when you have already a PhD? Isn't the PhD considered stronger than the DBA?

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 6 1 2 3 4 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts




1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15