Tesc(Thomas Edison) Lied To Me, My Degree Audit Was A Mistake!!!

I feel so powerless right now against these bloody, ARROGANT people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got my degree audit (Thomas Edison State) in the mail a few weeks ago. It said that out of the 101 credits I sent in they accepted 92 toward my degree with 28 to go!!!!!! I informed the registrar yeaterday that i just passed 2 CLEPS and now should have only 22 to go.

As a matter of fact I got a second degree audit last week saying I had 95 credits toward the degree cause they added a DANTES test that I said I MIGHT take and put "Pending".

On DEC 14 I had a one hour appt with my advisor (well half hour she was cutting me off after 30 mins) She even said everything in my degree audit was fine. (She was a B**ch though) She said I should be ashamed to have a bachelors degree if I dont get my GPA up (its a 2.6).

****ANYWAY I got an e-mail from the registrar today. He said he added the cleps to my credits and now I have 89 and 31 to go...(providing I pass that test I said I MIGHT take)

I called customer service and they said yep its 89, 31 to go. HOW THE HELL DID I LOSE 9 or 12 CREDITS???????????? So 2 of my degree audits were wrong and so was my advisor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I"M SO UPSET and they close for XMAS this week and my bubble is burst. I CANT FIND AN ADVISIR WHO KNOWS WHAT THEYRE TALKING ABOUT AND EVERYONE I EVER TALKED TO THERE IS SO KURT AND ARROGANT AND WONT LISTEN TO ME. If I dont knw what I need to graduate I want my $2000 dollars BACK BUT I CANT SUE NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO OR WHAT THEY LIE ABOUT- ITS A PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!!!!!!! Its bad enough they had mistakes in their catalog...

If I take 11 more CLEPS and pass will they tell me no CONGRATS-you only need 60 more credits to graduate.....??? I may have to wait til January to speak to an advisor IM SO UPSET!!!!!!!!!

 

I was not impressed or happy with my TESC experience as well. In my case it swirled around disorganization, trouble getting responses and financial issues.

 

LJinPA ,

Well, sorry that you have a bad experience with TESC. If I am in your situation, maybe I'll hack into their network system.

Anyway, since you live in Pennsylvania, why don't just go to the office in Trenton, New Jersey...and talk directly to them. I mean it is much easier at face to face. Have them open your profolio or profile, and go through with you.

Good Luck... MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR!

 

Would you like some cheese with your whine?

Now sit down and take your medicine, you little piss-ant.

First, when you call your advisor a bitch, you'd better look in the mirror and call yourself one as well (regardless of whether you're male or femle, which is both an unknown to me and quite irrelevant). Moreover, you're a major whiner, not to mention an ignorant kvetch.

Second, you need to cool down before you write tirades that look like a magnum opus. They can come back and bite you in the ass when you least expect it.

You are 27 years old and just going for a bachelor's. YOu obviously haven't taken the time to learn how to work the system, and that means everything. You have several different opinions on how many credits you have - you need to systematically figure that out yourself, and then coordinate a mutually agreeable solution with the key person in your program: your advisor. Then let your advisor relay the settled-upon statistics to the registrar.

Get it? Your advisor is your advoacte and, despite your patronizing immaturity, she is on your side. Seeing you succeed is another feather in her cap, but she's not about to put her ass on the line if you don't deserve the credits you are being awarded.

Why did TESC only accept 92 out of 101 credits you orignally submitted? There are lots of variables you may not be considering in the big picture, like whether you have credits that duplicate each other, whether you have an overage of junior or community college credits, or whether all of your credits even fit into the particular degree program you have chosen. If your advisor is interpreting it one way but the registrar's office interpreted it a different way, honey will get you a lot farther than vinegar. And if you plan to go on for a master's degree at some point, the time to learn how to be a solid diplomat and negotiator instead of a blithering whiner is now.

Get it? It's time for you to learn how to take charge. And to get to know the system as well as, or better, than the ones making the mistakes (which, at the moment, seems to include you).

Now go out and enjoy your holiday. Have some fun, get some great sex, and don't be in such a sweat. As I write this, the new year is less than two weeks away, and things will be resolved. And though you may never get as good as me at the game (having walked into TESC with only six credits and finishing my B.A. in only 22 months from matriculaton date to graduation date - with no complaints about how TESC handled things), you will get better at it. But your first step should be to mellow out. And the next time you use the word bitch, you'd better be talking about a female dog. Then, maybe you will get as good as me at the game.

Now breathe: In, out, in, out, in, out. No, wait, that's the great sex part . . .

 

Two additional comments: First, I just noticed that you wrote in another post, "I have ADD big time." Congratulations - so do I. If I had to sit in a classroom for four or more years, I never would have pulled off a degree in the first place.

You can use your ADD to your benefit, or use it as an excuse - and a poor one. As an ADD'er, you should surely know about the concept of "hyper focusing." Try it - and let your determination to find a solution rule. It's how I pulled off my TESC degree (plus subsequent M.A. and Ph.D.) so fast and efficiently.

Second digressioni: You asked in another post for a solution to getting 3 credits in the math/science area. Check out the DANTES exam in Astronomy - when I was in TESC it only required a 39% pass grade (I can't guarantee that it's the same today). I picked up two paperbacks on astronomy in a local bookstore, rad them over two weekends, went in and took the test (and passd with about a 65%), got the credit . . . and promptly forgot every bit of astronomy I read. That's how to play the game - just do what you need to do, and don't sweat it after you've won.

 

Clarification

First I have no intention of going to grad school.

Second I was not upset that they only accepted 92 credits out of 101, I know the system and did my homework. 9 credits were over the 2 yr college limit.

WHAT I WAS MAD ABOUT is now all of a sudden they tell me I have 89 when I SHOULD have 98 now with the 2 CLEPS I passed. MY DEGREE AUDIT said I had 92 BEFORE the 2 CLEPS.

I lost at least 9 credits that disappeared!!!!!!!!

Also I was supposed to have at least an hour with my advisor and she was cutting me off and in a hurry after 25 mins...

When I'm being told one thing, then they do another and I AM LOSING MONEY - I have a right to go on an immature tirade.

 

Steve, your posts are very uncalled for. LJinPA's comments were in know way directed at you. For litigous reasons, please be more carefull and mindful of your posts.



Ray


NorthCentral University: MA in Psychology - Currently Enrolled

- Law Enforcement Officer
- Member of the National Republican Congressional Committee
- Prospective 2008 Congressional Candidate

 

Steve,

I think your comments are immature and petty. How is advising someone to have sex over the holiday a mature approach?

 

o come, all ye

When one reaches a certain age, sex over the holidays requires a mature approach whether anybody likes it or not.

That includes, for you college types, being able to use "know" and "no" correctly in a sentence. Otherwise, you will say yes to anything and have problems with carnal noledge (falling out of a window during sexual congress).

Somebody did mention congress, no?

 

Simply Rude !!

Steve,

I find your comments towards LJinPA very personal. I rarely speak out on many of the posts whether I think they're over the top or not but this is my exception.LJinPA was simply venting over the loss of credits he has experienced, nothing more. Steve, you showed little respect for this person's opinion, whether correct or incorrect. This problem may shed light on the subject for other individuals reading this forum, not just you.

Steve Quote:
"And if you plan to go on for a master's degree at some point, the time to learn how to be a solid diplomat and negotiator instead of a blithering whiner is now."

This is simply rude and uncalled for. While it is your right to do so in this public forum, it's my right to say that you we're rude and condescending to this individual.

I sincerely apologize for the negative comments this will be my one rare occasion.

R/
Vonnell

 

For anyone who has been on this board for any length of time, Levicoff's statements were simply par for the course...

But I think most of you are so upset over his outrageous comments that you are neglecting the majority of his post.

It had some good information and advice in there. I suggest you go back and read it again, ignoring the offensive parts.

clint
who tries not to be offensive

 

Hi LJinPA:

Mind you, I am not worthy to untie Levicoff's sandals (while everyone pitches a predictable fit, listen to the man), but a few things occur to me in addition to his astute advice.

First, live to fight another day. If you get so angry you can't negotiate with whomever at TESC, you lose.

Second, don't get so mad over a few credits that you lose sight of (or lose entirely) the degree which is your goal.

Third, consider the percentage of credits which TESC did accept on either the old or new calculation. The ratio is overwhelmingly favorable to you even with the loss of a few credits--if that is really permanent.

Fourth, the more you holler at your adviser, the less time you will get. In my line of work I have to listen to folks zoom and scream because God told me to. Your adviser does not have this divine um whatever it is.

Fifth, and I know very little about ADD, so factor that into what I am about to say, be careful how you handle mentioning illness or disability in relation to your work. Anyone who has had to rassle with these issues (as I have) needs to be careful not to do a number on himself/herself and interfere with his/her own accomplishment. Don't put yourself in a victim category--sometimes especially if you are a victim of something--or others less concerned about you than you are (pretty much everyone else) may write you off as a "case". That's not necessarily fair, but it's often how it is.

Sixth, you may have a right under the gaze of a benevolent Creator to do what you call an "immature tirade". I wouldn't really know. But if you do it here, not everyone will go "awww poor thing," nor should they, necessarily. Wit and invective will work better than YELLING. TRUST ME.

Finally. Get a grip. It's better to get what you want than to get something off your chest. So listen to Dr Levicoff and best wishes to you.

Janko

 

Re: o come, all ye

Oh my, as in The Congress of the Crows?

 

Hi LJinPA,

I empathise with your plight and I have been and still going through the agony of dealing with institutional complexities which makes the candidate of the program go round in circles. The institutions are suppose to be bona fide, governmental run organisations but managed by humans and humans do have weaknesses.

Take a breather and assess where you have to go and ask institution to state your credits in a letter or a form, get it in black and white, so that the evidence is stated clearly and that no amount of verbal feedback can alter the evidence.

The other thing is to remember that yes you have every right to voice your sentiments over the matter but remember that it is better to calm down, concentrate on your health and family at hand. Sometimes you want the degree so badly that you can't seem to focus on what is important in life. When you do see clearly and calmly life presents more opportunities and when you do get your degree, that piece of paper seems minute in front of what life has to offer. Think positive and always remember that things or fate, happens for a reason. Maybe I always think it is a blessing in disguise to find a higher path towards success.

It is good that you highlight your institution to others around the world after all continuous improvement and quality control is based on customer service requirements. Sometimes, that is allocated on a back burner for institutions of higher learning when it becomes an ivory tower. Reality must hit home!

 

So....

The obvious question to me is what credits did they say would transfer and now are rejecting? What is the specific reason they are rejecting them? Is that reason by itself valid or a mistake? As others have said you are so close to getting the degree a couple of CLEPS/DANTE tests shouldn't stop you. Good luck.

 

Dr Levicoff is actually very funny.

Obviously he was simply trying to infuse 'humor' to the situation, as he usually does. I actually thought his post was hilarious.

Now as for TESC, I agree with LJinpA, TESC is the WORST in student services. I transfered in 100 credits, and after their review, I was dropped down to 40. OUCH! Too many duplicate credits, credits not applicable to a business major, and anything else they could dump. as lJinPA said, the admin at TESC is forever condescending, unprofessional, inefficient and pathetic. He/she would be abnormal if they didn't get upset with the attitude spewn over the phone from TESC.

Now that we are clear on the problem, what are some workable solutions?

1. Speak with an advisor and go over the credits one by one to verify why TESC feels certain credits should not be counted.

2.Change your major to liberal arts, general studies, etc. Each major requires different classes.

3. Suck it up, and CLEP/Dantes your way to your degree.

4. Warn EVERY possible tesc STUDENT ABOUT HOW WONDERFUL TESC's student services is. (#3 &4 were my choice).

5. Quit school and lose your money.

I think #3&4 made the most sense. Do a search on theis board about TESC service and you'll find your situation is not all that unique. Check www.BAin4weeks.com and you'll find Lawrie Miller too had the same impression. I wish I only lost 11 credits.

Even with their decision to dump most of my credits, it was my decision to get my degree and part of that is to overcome the obstacles, whether it be money, teachers, scheduling, book costs, work, etc. I was still able to earn over 80 credits in less then 14 months.

Good luck

 

After fighting with TESC about money they believe I owe them, I submitted my appeal to the Student Services Appeals Committee. I lost (as expected). They made a FINAL decision without any real input from me and they decided in about 30 minutes.

I have had problems with the bursar, the registrar, financial aid, and testing services. The student service sucks. Their attention to detail sucks. I am completely unimpressed with TESC and would never recommend it to anyone. I should have gone to COSC or Excelsior...

 

I spoke to TESC, Excelsior and COSC. COSC has far better customer service than any of the other two. CISC constantly exceeeded my expectations.

 

Well I called and got an advisor today on the hotline- and also made an appointment for tomorrow- on the hotline she couldnt help me cause thecalls are limited to 5 minutes and I went over.

She did say my American Government course is what she thinks was removed. The only thing she thought COULD have been the problem is that to put my GPA in the best light the computer removed it cause it was a D, but it was a free elective and D's were supposed to be accepted and the course like my other D's WAS accepted. She said "maybe they took it off to improve my GPA"

Now you need a 2.0 to graduate and I have a 2.6 or 2.7 NOT GREAT, but im in no danger and I just want my piece of paper.

ALSO I did NOT YELL at my advisor, I wasnt even harsh spoken. I was very polite actually.

As far as CLEPS, I am taking CLEPS- but losing a credit is an x-tra 75 $$$ I have to spend and to me that is a lot. How do I know if I take every CLEP/DANTES ever made if theyre going to tell me that now I need 90 more credits to graduate???