I would appreciate any information in regards to completing an EdD. Specifically, but not limited to, higer ed. administration. Thanks
ORU has several Ed.D. programs that are fairly affordable and done through modular education and two week summer residencies. They Ed.D.'s with Christian emphasis and with secular (non religious) emphasis. http://www.oru.edu Regent University in Virginia has several Ed.D emphases. http://www.regent.edu North
You might consider http://edl.nova.edu/ The www.unl.edu has a distance Ed.D. and a Ph.D., but the Ph.D. program seems to be more in line with your interests.
ORU has several Ed.D. programs that are fairly affordable and done through modular education and two week summer residencies. They have Ed.D.'s with Christian emphasis and with secular (non religious) emphasis. http://www.oru.edu Regents University in Virginia has several Ed.D emphases. http://www.regent.edu Another is the University of Sarasota (someone convince them this name sounds better than Argosy). http://www.sarasota.edu They have campuses in Florida and California. North
Ron, You didn't mention what your educational background is, but if you happen to have an Ed.S. degree, Nova Southeastern will give you advanced standing in its Ed.D. program in Organizational Leadership. You'd only need five 6-hour courses and a dissertation to complete the degree. For further details, see <http://www.nova.edu/gtep/leader/info.htm>. The program Web site specifies that those with an "earned *NSU* Educational Specialist degree" qualify for advanced standing. I have it from the program director, though, that any specialist's degree will do. My specialist's is not only from a school other than Nova Southeastern, it's in Library and Information Science and not Education, and they've still agreed to advanced standing (although nothing is written in stone yet). Good luck to you. Cheers, ------------------ Michael Wilson
Ron: I was looking into that program too. Have you been given any information on what the residency requirements are? I know they offer an on-line MS in various fields and use to offer the Ed.S. on-line without residencies but I don't have a clear picture of their Ed.D. through GTEP. What have you been told? Ted
FYI, the University of Bristol (UK) offers an EdD to working professionals. According to the info, it’s the first EdD degree of its kind in Europe, and attracts large numbers of oversea students. The degree can be completed while one stays employed. There are; however, residential requirements. http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Education/edd.htm
Ted, Did you mean to address your question to me instead of Ron? According to Nova's Web site, the program may be completed either onsite or online. See <http://www.nova.edu/gtep/leader/info.htm#instdelivsys>. Cheers, ------------------ Michael Wilson
Michael, You're right, I was supposed to be addressing you. The sentence that I wonder about is "The predominantly asynchronous nature of the method allows you to participate in courses at times and places convenient to you." The word predominantly is what is throwing me. I know that all their other doctorate programs at NOVA require some site time or at least time with other learners and faculty members. I'm just wondering if this program follows the normal pattern or if this is the second (RA) doctoral progam in the US that does not require residency. Ted
Ted, I don't know if any site visits are called for. I'd been looking over some other programs at Nova Southeastern--particularly their Ed.D. in Instructional Technology and Distance Education--and all of them seem to require at least *some* face-to-face interaction. I didn't bother to ask about this in my emails to the program staff, because it didn't concern me much; I only live one state away, so it's not that big a deal for me to pop down there every once in awhile. Jennifer Burns is the informational specialist for the OL Doctorate Program, and I'm sure she'd be able to answer any questions you may have. Her email address is <[email protected]>, and her telephone number is 1-800-986-3223 x8493. Good luck in your educational pursuits. Maybe we'll be classmates sometime in the future. Cheers, ------------------ Michael Wilson
I've asked them about this and haven't yet gotten a reply. My guess is they will give 6 to maybe 12 hours of transfer from an Ed.S. That isn't enough for me to pay their sky-high tuition. I just can't see how anybody, especially in education, can justify these high tuition costs. The cost/benefit just isn't there, unless somebody wants to be called "doctor." If you want a title, you can get a ministerial credential online like I did. It is the only degree I have framed and in full view.
The tuition is a real drawback and the main reason I'm hesitating. On the positive side, my Ed.S. will be from Nova so 18 credits are sure to transfer. That would leave only the five core courses plus the research and dissertation courses. Ted
I got an email back from Nova that said they would NOT accept hours from my Ed.S. but up to 18 hours from a Nova Ed.S. Well, this is unacceptable. But this is standard fare. I am doing my own research, so I posed a question to this lady from Nova and I will pose it to all of you: Why, especially in the field of education, would somebody want a doctorate? How can they justify the huge expense of a doctorate? For instance, I teach at a community college. A doctorate would get me about $6k more a year. It would take at least five years for the added salary to pay back the cost of the doctorate. On top of that, it will probably take me 3 to 6 years to complete it. Now, another consideration is the percentage of those who start who get the doctorate. Schools aren't that upfront about that. I got a figure from a prof at Northern Arizona University ("we don't keep statitistics on that..." uh, WHY NOT?) who gave me a ballpark figure of 50%. When I mentioned this to another Ph.D./Ed.D. "distance" school, the lady said, "You mean you're only interested in a doctorate for financial gain?" Uh-DUH.... YEAH! By the way, if you are doing a doctorate to teach at a four year institution, check out their salary structure, especially for education. Hint: I make about $20k more a year teaching in a community college without the hassle of publish or perish tenure. So, do you really, really, really NEED a doctorate? Or do you need the title? If you need a title, you can buy a peerage title from Britain or get an online ministerial credential. If you really don't need a doctorate, put the $30k-$40k in the stock market. As for me, I have decided to go after a Morehead State MBA, online at around $6500 TOTAL. I get almost to the level of Ph.D. pay at my community college by doing this. The payback period is 1.5 years for me since I will get a raise of over $4k with the additional degree. Just thought I'd share my research, thoughts, and decision-making process with you.
Thanks for sharing. My perspective is completely different (not better - just different). I did not earn a Ph.D. for the potential financial gain. I earned it to learn and contribute to a field that I am passionate about (not education). I did get side benefits, but my main objective remains learning and contributing. But I guess I just have a martyr syndrome! But that's my motivation. Barry Foster
There you go. To each their own, or some other such cliche. For many, it is how much do they want to spend and at what hassle factor? The market still dictates the cost. And the cost for the Nova-type doctorates is around $25k to $35k. Now, I also contribute to knowledge and learning, but not at that price tag. If I really, really, really wanted a doctorate (the title doesn't turn my crank), I might consider a doctorate by previous publication. Anglia Poly University in Britain offers one. Most schools in Britain and Australia also do, but only to employees. So my advice stands. How much do you really need and want a doctorate? Are you willing to pay the big bucks for it? Are you willing to put your head in a vice and have somebody twist it for the next up to eight years? If the answer is "Sure, bring it on!" then there are plenty of options. Just get into it with eyes completely wide (shut?) open. My personal opinion, and that is only what it is, is that we have a glut of doctorates in this country. That is why I didn't become a lawyer, too. I'm anxious to see what others say on this topic.
It's interesting how Bristol and Anglia Poly emphasize the speed and relative ease with which their EdDs can be completed. I wonder how these programs are perceived in Britain.
FWIW, my reasons for earning a doctorate: 1. I enjoy learning. I've felt engaged and challenged by the two graduate programs I've been involved in, and want more of the same. 2. I want my job to get more interesting as the years go by, not more dull. Those with more than one advanced degree always seem to get the interesting assignments. 3. I have nothing to lose but effort, since my employer is picking up the tab (actually, they're giving me a service-cancellable loan). 4. I'll be in a position for a nice raise. Even without my employer's assistance, it would still be worthwhile for me to pursue the degree. If it took five years for it to pay for itself, I'd still be looking at about eighteen more years of step seven salary (the difference between step six and step seven is $7,500.00). Cheers, ------------------ Michael Wilson
