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    Ashworth (PCDI) MBA Program

    I am strongly considering this MBA program due to the structure, format, and cost plans. Anyone in this program right now? Please share your insights with me. Thanks!
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    Re: Ashworth (PCDI) MBA Program

    Originally posted by TomICAVols
    I am strongly considering this MBA program due to the structure, format, and cost plans. Anyone in this program right now? Please share your insights with me. Thanks!
    I'm not in the program -- nor have I been; nor is it likely likely that I will ever be -- but, I've always thought it was perfect fine if all you wanted to do was be able to put "MBA " on your business card and/or resume without getting arrested in places like Oregon; and/or if you just wanted a perfectly decent (and even respectable... or at least adequately respectable) accredited MBA education that doesn't ever need to compete with MBAs from AACSB-accredited schools.

    It's DETC-accredited -- which is still USDoE/CHEA-approved -- so it's perfectly legitimate in every rational sense (though others, here, will probably explain why DETC accreditation, alone, might be considered by some to be an impediment). Just know that if the quality of the degree were the only criteria; and/or all other things being equal between you and other job candidates (all of whom have MBAs from either regionally- and/or AACSB-accredited schools) except the degree, I believe you'd lose out to them rather quickly.

    That's just my opinion, however... with which others here, no doubt, will take strong issue.
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    I am enrolled in the Ashworth MBA program, and have just completed the noncredit introductory course. As I have posted elsewhere, it appears to be a credible program and comparable. but slightly easier, than some of the other open admission MBA programs that are RA accredited. Again, I am only beginning. The next course appears to be Ethics, but it hasn't arrived yet.

    That said, DesElms is right. This is a credible program but not something that will elicit respect in a Fortune 1000 company, except maybe in retail sales. For someone in a different environment (home-based business, government or nonprofit manager, entrepreneur, etc.) it seems to give you the training and tools that you need in a graduate management program. But my sense is that it is built with same KISS philosophy that PCDI uses in its vocational AA and AS programs. For me, a mid-career senior manager in a nonprofit , this could be a plus. But it will never get me hired by any firm that has a cadre of MBAs from top 20 schools. Just like a law degree from Concord and a CA bar admission won't get you hired by many, if any, large law firms.

    An open question is if any of the RA doctorate programs that accept nationally accredited graduate work (Northcentral and Capella come to mind) will accept the Ashworth credits. Since the program is new, it is not even confirmed that other DETC MBA programs, such as Aspen, American Public University, etc., will accept the Ashworth credits. I hope the answer is yes, but no one has reported their experience yet.

    I have thought about another angle for this $5,000 business program. I wonder if the first 6-8 courses will fulfill the prerequisite requirement for non-business majors that most (but not all) RA MBA programs require. The majority of MBA programs either require undergraduate coursework or evidence of advanced standing in various business basics. I think it is possible that 1/2 or 2/3 of an Ashworth MBA would meet the requirement of some or most of the prerequisites, although none of the Ashworth credits will transfer to a RA school.

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    Cpaq is correct in his assessment regarding the degree utility... I'm glad I'm not living in the USA :D

    I think other DETC schools should theoretically accept Ashworth credits without any problems. It all depends how do the course material and subject matter for the comparable courses match up.

    For instance, the courses at Grantham University and Aspen are virtually identical as far as subject content is concerned. So transfer of credits between the two schools should be rather seemless.

    Do heed this warnig that most DETC schools including Aspen and Grantham do not allow the transfer of more than 9 credits. Andrew Jackson University allows up to 15 credits however of transfer.


    Originally posted by cpaq
    I am enrolled in the Ashworth MBA program, and have just completed the noncredit introductory course. As I have posted elsewhere, it appears to be a credible program and comparable. but slightly easier, than some of the other open admission MBA programs that are RA accredited. Again, I am only beginning. The next course appears to be Ethics, but it hasn't arrived yet.

    That said, DesElms is right. This is a credible program but not something that will elicit respect in a Fortune 1000 company, except maybe in retail sales. For someone in a different environment (home-based business, government or nonprofit manager, entrepreneur, etc.) it seems to give you the training and tools that you need in a graduate management program. But my sense is that it is built with same KISS philosophy that PCDI uses in its vocational AA and AS programs. For me, a mid-career senior manager in a nonprofit , this could be a plus. But it will never get me hired by any firm that has a cadre of MBAs from top 20 schools. Just like a law degree from Concord and a CA bar admission won't get you hired by many, if any, large law firms.

    An open question is if any of the RA doctorate programs that accept nationally accredited graduate work (Northcentral and Capella come to mind) will accept the Ashworth credits. Since the program is new, it is not even confirmed that other DETC MBA programs, such as Aspen, American Public University, etc., will accept the Ashworth credits. I hope the answer is yes, but no one has reported their experience yet.

    I have thought about another angle for this $5,000 business program. I wonder if the first 6-8 courses will fulfill the prerequisite requirement for non-business majors that most (but not all) RA MBA programs require. The majority of MBA programs either require undergraduate coursework or evidence of advanced standing in various business basics. I think it is possible that 1/2 or 2/3 of an Ashworth MBA would meet the requirement of some or most of the prerequisites, although none of the Ashworth credits will transfer to a RA school.

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    Re: Re: Ashworth (PCDI) MBA Program

    Originally posted by DesElms
    .........but, I've always thought it was perfect fine if all you wanted to do was be able to put "MBA " on your business card and/or resume without getting arrested in places like Oregon;..............................
    This DETC accredited MBA degree is acceptable in Oregon.

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    Re: Ashworth (PCDI) MBA Program

    Originally posted by Ian Anderson
    This DETC accredited MBA degree is acceptable in Oregon.
    Yes, that was my point. The Ashworth MBA is DETC accredited. DETC is a USDoE/CHEA-approved accreditor. Oregon makes all degrees which are not accredited by a USDoE/CHEA-approved agency illegal. Ergo, putting Ashworth 's MBA on one's business card and/or resume in Oregon would be legal. My words in my original post, here, were:
    • "...but, I've always thought it was perfecty fine if all you wanted to do was be able to put 'MBA ' on your business card and/or resume without getting arrested in places like Oregon..."
    So we are of one mind on this, no?
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    Personally i would not attend PCDI(for not being regionally accredited). But it again depends on individual needs!

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    True, I would strongly prefer an RA program. But cost and convenience are paramount, and Ashworth seems to offer both better than any other program I've seen. If anyone knows of other MBA programs that offer a payment plan, I'd love to hear about it. Unless my socks get blown off or I hear many horror stories about Ashworth , Ashworth it is.
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    Many if not most of the DETC MBA programs offer a payment plan. I am not aware of any that allow a student to pay as little as the $99 a month that Ashworth does. Doing a search here for DETC and MBA will start you off, or go to www.detc.org and look at the list of accredited institutions for a complete one.

    I can't recall any RA schools that offer a no-interest monthly plan. But many if not most allowed deferred payment plans for a small fee--not including books.

    No doubt Ashworth is affordable. But you get what you pay for. I say that as an enrolled student.

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    Re: Re: Ashworth (PCDI) MBA Program

    Originally posted by DesElms
    if all you wanted to do was be able to put "MBA" on your business card and/or resume without getting arrested in places like Oregon...
    Are you able to name even one person who has been arrested in Oregon for using a degree not approvd by the ODA?

    Thanks!

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    Originally posted by cpaq

    ...although none of the Ashworth credits will transfer to a RA school.
    Not necessarily. Here's a list of schools that will accept completed (that's the key, and a good GPA as well) DETC degrees, including Ashworth 's:

    Western Governor's University
    Kaplan University
    Jones International University
    University of Phoenix
    Colorado Technical University

    That said, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with an Ashworth MBA other than:

    1. It's DETC acrredited, not RA and not AACSB. But there are much more expensive RA MBA programs that are also not accredited by AACSB.

    2. Ashworth doesn't mention if any of their individual courses are ACE-approved, which would certainly facilitate transfer of credit. But if they were ACE approved they would probably mention it on their site, and they don't. Education Direct's programs are ACE-approved, but as far as I know they don't offer anything beyond associate's degrees.

    3. "Ashworth College " has probably about zero name recognition, but so do many much more expensive RA schools offering MBAs.

    The Ashworth program is certainly very inexpensive though, which for many is essential. Granted, it's not Harvard but it's better than no MBA at all especially if the position you want requires one. Most HR departments have resume screeners, either human or electronic, and the initial weeding-out process is done by checking which desired degree letters are missing.

    An Ashworth MBA would probably be most useful to someone with several years experience in a particular field who is looking for advancement in that field or a move to another company in the same field. But I wouldn't recommend it to anyone just starting out or with little experience.

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    Kit, All of the schools you list offer the MBA as a terminal degree in their business programs--none offer doctorates. So transferring a completed DETC MBA really wouldn't offer any utility with these schools, would it? One certainly doesn't want two MBAs--one DETC and one RA.

    Other RA schools, such as NCU, Argosy , Walden and perhaps Nova, offer doctorates and accept nationally accreditated graduate work on a case-by-case basis. Some of the DETC MBA programs, such as Aspen, have articulation agreements and track records in feeding graduates into RA doctorate programs. In this area, Ashworth is still a question mark, at best.

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    Originally posted by cpaq
    Kit, All of the schools you list offer the MBA as a terminal degree in their business programs--none offer doctorates.
    One does, the University of Phoenix offers a DBA.

    Originally posted by cpaq
    One certainly doesn't want two MBAs--one DETC and one RA.
    From your previous post I kind of got the impression that you really want your MBA from somewhere other than Ashworth . It's possible to transfer a DETC MBA to an RA MBA program, have partial credit accepted or all credits accepted with further requirements, then have the MBA from an RA institution at a greatly reduced cost. It is two MBAs but since the accreditation is different it could be a situation where only the RA MBA would be listed thereafter, sort like how many people don't list their completed associate's degrees after earning their bachelor's. Obtaining an MBA with a higher and more generally accepted accreditation is a legitimate reason to want that 'second' MBA .


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    I can't see the need for two MBAs unless you're talking about different disciplines or concentrations.

    So anyone else have any experience with Ashworth 's MBA program?
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    Re: Ashworth (PCDI) MBA Program

    Originally posted by Jimmy Clifton
    Are you able to name even one person who has been arrested in Oregon for using a degree not approvd by the ODA?
    No. Yet.

    And your point is?
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    Name one RA university that would take all credits from an NA university towards an MBA ... Isn't there a limit on how many units can be transferred?? It is only logical to assume that there is a limit, but if I'm wrong I'd sure like to know!


    Originally posted by Kit


    One does, the University of Phoenix offers a DBA.



    From your previous post I kind of got the impression that you really want your MBA from somewhere other than Ashworth . It's possible to transfer a DETC MBA to an RA MBA program, have partial credit accepted or all credits accepted with further requirements, then have the MBA from an RA institution at a greatly reduced cost. It is two MBAs but since the accreditation is different it could be a situation where only the RA MBA would be listed thereafter, sort like how many people don't list their completed associate's degrees after earning their bachelor's. Obtaining an MBA with a higher and more generally accepted accreditation is a legitimate reason to want that 'second' MBA .


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